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gcbailey 10-03-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by _DX3_ (Post 94301)
:bigthink: I missed that, will have to go have a look see...lol

it's got the lift button on top, and other button on the front side it looks from that picture.... Maverick - "switching to guns..."

Methos 10-03-2011 07:31 PM

Looks like the drive shaft got repaired at some point. The steering mod:bash2: is hard on the eyes. I think that's a JD seat pan.

bocephus1991 10-03-2011 07:51 PM

Nice find for $25! Looks like it will be a fun rebuild! It is amazing what all people do to modify there tractors and such! Look forward to seeing the restore!

_DX3_ 10-03-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Methos (Post 94364)
Looks like the drive shaft got repaired at some point. The steering mod:bash2: is hard on the eyes. I think that's a JD seat pan.

I didn't get a picture, but I noticed the 3 pins on the drive plate for the clutch look slightly ummm curved, LOL. I am praying I don't find a bolt and nut in the trans side of the drive shaft that has worn everything out allowing the drive shaft to wobble.

_DX3_ 10-04-2011 03:27 PM

Took the 73 up to the local car wash and power washed all the barn dust and as much of the grease and grime off that I could get too. I came out pretty decent. I figured I might as well get started tearing it down, but leave some things for my nephew to help me with. I'll let him help tear down the motor, remove the seat and help me remove the steering components and then the front axle. I have the steering wheel soaking in PB Blaster, once we get that off I'll have him help me get the steering tower removed from the frame. There will be more to do, but that was enough for today. I did find out the motor is NOT the original motor :bash2:. You will see a pic of some wires with what looks like a three way connector. I figure this motor has a stator behind the flywheel. Should not be an issue, but was just surprised by that. Also the motor was blue at some time. A PO put the Cub tin work back on the motor to keep the appearance of a cub motor. It does not have an oil fill tube. There is a plug that you have to remove located where the tube should be. I am hoping I can put a tube in there? Well anyway, here are some pics of today's progress.

Cleaned up, sort off:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02410.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02411.jpg

The Hood and cast front end removed:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02412.jpg

All Jacked Up and ready to be worked on :biggrin2:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02414.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02415.jpg

:angry: What's this crap??? :bigthink:

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http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02419.jpg

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Figured I needed pics of the throttle and Choke linkage setup :biggrin2:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02417.jpg

_DX3_ 10-04-2011 03:29 PM

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02416.jpg

Motor removed and setting on bench

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02421.jpg

Good progress for today

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02422.jpg

Old ragged wiring harness ripped out

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02424.jpg

PB Blaster a Cub Mechanics best friend. This steering wheel will come off soon, :biggrin2:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02423.jpg

ACecil 10-04-2011 05:01 PM

Great pics, DWayne! You're making some nice progress on the 73. :ThumbsUp:

_DX3_ 10-04-2011 05:05 PM

Thanks Allen, I am trying, but it will slow way down once it's in pieces.

jbrewer 10-04-2011 07:27 PM

Rusty nuts
 
Great work!

Pblaster IS the stuff... works better than anything I've tried on rusty hardware.

John

darkminion_17 10-04-2011 08:21 PM

I never had a 73,looks like it is coming apart well.Did a 73 have a round tank?
On the steering,at least the PO did not weld it together BTDT
You may have 8hp in there only way to find out is to pull the head and measure the bore.Looks like ford blue...

_DX3_ 10-04-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 94513)
I never had a 73,looks like it is coming apart well.Did a 73 have a round tank?
On the steering,at least the PO did not weld it together BTDT
You may have 8hp in there only way to find out is to pull the head and measure the bore.Looks like ford blue...

The tank is a smaller version of the wide frame tanks. I think it's capacity is 1.25 gallons. The fill cap is offset to one side.

The steering wheel is in decent shape, but it is very loose where the spokes go into the center hub. I'll probably have my brother in law pic up a new repro for it.

I thought it looked like Ford blue too, LOL. I have to wait for my nephew to come help me take the engine apart, altho curiosity is killing me. I might at least pop the head and measure then put it back on for him to take off. :biggrin2:

westofb 10-04-2011 10:47 PM

Looking good Dwayne, I like the breather cover, with a pre bent rubber hose of the right diameter, you can vent down below the motor, keeping the new paint nice and pretty!

_DX3_ 10-05-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by westofb (Post 94534)
Looking good Dwayne, I like the breather cover, with a pre bent rubber hose of the right diameter, you can vent down below the motor, keeping the new paint nice and pretty!

:bigthink: that's a good idea, I was wondering what I was going to do with that vent, LOL.. Thanks

Methos 10-05-2011 09:27 AM

Sweet pics DWayne! After looking at the pic with the wiring the right side was cut narrower then the left side. Just measure where the tabs are welded on the dash tower and use the same width as the base and the same height as the top of the tabs and you'll have everything you need make a new battery box.

_DX3_ 10-08-2011 04:03 PM

Was a nice day out and everyone was gone, so I had some time to play, ahem I mean work on the 73 a bit. First order of the day was the steering wheel removal. I have been spraying it with PB blaster the last few days. I got my air chisel and installed the custom made tool I use to remove the steering wheels with. About 10 minutes of some easy work rotating the wheel while applying upward pressure and using the air chisel the wheel suddenly slid right off. I continued with removing the sead and rear seat mount. Removed the steering tower and removed the clutch assembly. I was also able to get the Engine PTO removed. I had to drill out one set of set screws. They were FUBAR'd pretty bad from PO. You will see the PTO bearing was not installed correctly and the back side of the PTO was rubbing the end of the crankshaft :bash2:. Some hand filing removed the ridge from the crank shaft. I am going to have to buy a gear puller to get the bearing off. It is on "tight". As you will see from the pic of the motor I pulled the head, there is quite a bit of carbon and I took a picture of the piston at the top and then at the bottom. If you look real good you can see quite a bit of the rings on the Carb side of the cylinder. Egg Shaped, but I am pretty sure .010 will fix it, but will know positively once I get the piston out. That was about all I accomplished today. Oh I did have some time to polish on the 982D out side in the shade before I put it back up. :biggrin2:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02425.jpg

Air Chisel
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Tool made by cutting off the head of a 3/8x4" bolt.
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Tool installed for removal:
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Success, and no, I have not had any bearing cub or bearing damage removing the steering wheels this way.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02429.jpg

Nice clean damage free steering shaft and tube:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02430.jpg

Almost there, just a few more things to remove:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02434.jpg

Inside of the steering tower after removal:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02435.jpg

_DX3_ 10-08-2011 04:07 PM

PTO Bearing installed too far back :bash2:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02431.jpg

Piston and valves and carbon, the head was pretty nasty:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02432.jpg

Rings showing pretty bad on one side:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02433.jpg

jbrewer 10-08-2011 05:19 PM

Thanks for the pix and a question
 
Great pictures and it looks like you've got one well worth saving.

On your wheel tool, do I understand that that bol5 slides down inside the steering column shaft and the tool hammers on the shaft with the nuts you have threaded on there? It's a good idea ...air tools...impacts and the like save a lot of bolts/nuts AND knuckles

Thanks
John

Methos 10-08-2011 06:30 PM

Awesome pics and updates DWayne! What a great way to spend some free time!

darkminion_17 10-08-2011 07:59 PM

I use the same method to remove the steering wheel,but I loosen the nut a turn or two,and leave it on.Always use a lot of soak time with the PB blaster

MrGitrdone41 10-08-2011 08:27 PM

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looking good Dwayne! Reminds me of me restoring my 73. I was lucky with the motor it sat inside for 16 years and started right up with no smoke! the 73s are neat little cubs. here is a pic after the resto :)Attachment 15946

LarryW 10-08-2011 08:40 PM

Looking good! Cool tips with impact driver too! :beerchug:

_DX3_ 10-08-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrewer (Post 95058)
Great pictures and it looks like you've got one well worth saving.

On your wheel tool, do I understand that that bol5 slides down inside the steering column shaft and the tool hammers on the shaft with the nuts you have threaded on there? It's a good idea ...air tools...impacts and the like save a lot of bolts/nuts AND knuckles

Thanks
John

Yes that is correct, I had to use a drill bit to open up just a bit of the shaft for the tool to slide down into. They build up junk over time in there and makes it hard to get it in sometimes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methos (Post 95063)
Awesome pics and updates DWayne! What a great way to spend some free time!

I did enjoy the day a lot. :beerchug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGitrdone41 (Post 95084)
looking good Dwayne! Reminds me of me restoring my 73. I was lucky with the motor it sat inside for 16 years and started right up with no smoke! the 73s are neat little cubs. here is a pic after the resto :)Attachment 15946

That is a great looking 73, I hope this one looks half that good when I get done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarryW (Post 95085)
Looking good! Cool tips with impact driver too! :beerchug:

Some will advise against it and that is fine. I don't like hitting them with a hammer and a bolt because I do believe that can really mess the bearings up. But so far this method really works good.

_DX3_ 10-08-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 95078)
I use the same method to remove the steering wheel,but I loosen the nut a turn or two,and leave it on.Always use a lot of soak time with the PB blaster

Yep, I spent the last two or three days of soaking the steering shaft and steering wheel with PB Blaster. I have learned patience on these things finally. :beerchug:

ACecil 10-08-2011 09:22 PM

Thanks for the pics, and update, DWayne! :beerchug:

Cubcrazy 10-09-2011 04:13 PM

Looking good Dwayne!
You are coming along nicely!

_DX3_ 10-09-2011 06:11 PM

Thanks.. It would be real nice if I could get some paint sprayed while there are a few weeks of warm weather left, then can work on the mechanicals while it is cold out.

_DX3_ 10-11-2011 06:42 PM

I was able to get the PTO bearing removed finally with the right tool and the S/G crank pulley. I went ahead and disassembled the engine and got all of the tolerances checked. As I thought a .010/.010 kit will fix everything up nicely. I was hoping I would get to use my tools again. Take a look at the PTO end of the crank shaft. It looks to have had a shaft installed over the original crank surface to compensate for the ID of the PTO bearing and lock and pulley. It looks be be pinned and seems to be quite solid. Is this something anyone has seen before? From measuring I will have to cut the very tip off of the crank so that if we use a PTO later the bearing can be placed correctly. Not much else out of the norm that I can see. If you see something odd feel free to speak up. You will see what looks like sand in the cylinder on a couple of pics. I have no idea what that is unless is dust, because I wiped it clean, LOL.

Piston and rod looked to be in good shape:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02437.jpg

Bearing surface looked good:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02438.jpg

First time I have seen a bolt head lock for the rod bolts.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02439.jpg

PTO end of Crank Shaft. You can see the added sleeve or what I think has been added:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02440.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02441.jpg

Need to cut the excess off of the crank end:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02442.jpg

Crankpin surface looked really good, but a bit too much wear:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02443.jpg

No crosshatch that I could find except at the very bottom:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02444.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02445.jpg

Will replace the valve guides:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/DSC02446.jpg

ACecil 10-11-2011 06:46 PM

Thanks for the pics and update, DWayne! :beerchug:

_DX3_ 10-11-2011 07:13 PM

Some of my tools I like to play with, I mean work with. :biggrin2:

I set my cylinder dial to the max wear measurement. This way I will know if I have a go no go cylinder and or if the wear is just under the max it will still be time to bore.

I set the max limit on my caliper:
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Then adjusted the dial to measure "0" right at the max:
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Anything to the left of 0 is too much wear. It was all bad, LOL:
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That was it for the day. I didn't take any pics of checking the crank and a lot of this may be boring for most, but it may help someone or lead them to ask a question. :beerchug:

Matt G. 10-11-2011 07:37 PM

I've never seen those locking tabs on a Kohler rod, but many B&S engines have those.

_DX3_ 10-11-2011 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G. (Post 95518)
I've never seen those locking tabs on a Kohler rod, but many B&S engines have those.

Hmmmm I was wondering, but I like them on there.

darkminion_17 10-11-2011 07:57 PM

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You may be better off finding a cub motor and rebuild that one.I see no keyway in the shaft.What keeps the S/G pulley from spinning?Or am I missing something...Is this dirt or a crack...
Nice set of tools!!

_DX3_ 10-11-2011 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 95526)
You may be better off finding a cub motor and rebuild that one.I see no keyway in the shaft.What keeps the S/G pulley from spinning?Or am I missing something...Is this dirt or a crack...
Nice set of tools!!

Dang you had me worried for a minute, LOL.

Here is the keyway
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...XKLR/crank.jpg

I will have to check the bearing plate. I did not look at it real close, I was focused on checking everything else. Will be the first thing I check in the morning. :beerchug:

_DX3_ 10-11-2011 08:34 PM

I had to go look, LOL. There is an indentation in the plate. No cracks anywhere. The flash and light made a shadow there.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...LR/plate-1.jpg

Methos 10-12-2011 09:57 AM

DWayne awesome pics and tools! To bad the PO didn't keep the tins from the replacement motor on the motor that would have been most helpful.

_DX3_ 10-12-2011 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methos (Post 95634)
DWayne awesome pics and tools! To bad the PO didn't keep the tins from the replacement motor on the motor that would have been most helpful.

I think everything will work out ok. But would have been nice to know the info on the motor, LOL.

_DX3_ 10-18-2011 07:27 PM

I spent Monday taking the carb from the 73 apart. Wow, it was nasty and the gas looked like dark aged Bourbon. And smelled. As you can see the carb was covered in grime and grease and the inside was just as bad. I bought a gallon of Chem Dip and left everything in there for a couple of days. It came out great and cleaned up nicely and I put a new kit in it. I'll have pics of the rebuilt carb later. Here are some pics of it as I was putting it into the Cleaning solution.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image008.jpg

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Nasty float. It didn't get re-used:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image010.jpg

Rust inside the bowl:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image011.jpg

Hi Idle Needle was gummed up pretty good:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image012.jpg

This stuff is great. Have used this brand for years:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image013.jpg

Ready for cleaning:
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image014.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image015.jpg

ACecil 10-18-2011 10:04 PM

Good job, DWayne! Thanks for the pics. :beerchug:

Methos 10-19-2011 08:55 AM

That's one nasty carb! I use the same carb cleaner, it's good stuff!

_DX3_ 10-19-2011 10:41 AM

Freshly cleaned and rebuilt. I wish I had gotten pictures of the part after cleaning, but I didn't. But you can see the finished product. Much nicer and works smoothly. Cell phone pics. Forgive me.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/Image003.jpg

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