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J-Mech 04-19-2018 04:33 PM

No such thing as an "automotive" flare. No such thing as "gas line" flare either.

There is SAE 45° flare and JIC 37° flare.

Hydraulics use 37°. Can you use a 45° double flare..... yes, you can. It doesn't match, but I've not had issues doing it in low pressure applications. I will however say, it is better to use the correct flare degree. I can't guarantee you no leaks if the flares don't match. Make sense?

I don't know what tools you have, but if you have a tool to double flare, it wouldn't matter which degree cone you use after making the "bubble" for the double flare. I don't know what tool you have that you think is for gas line, but if you mean for flaring copper for LP or NG, that would be 45°.

hyperlightboards48 04-19-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 451454)
No such thing as an "automotive" flare. No such thing as "gas line" flare either.

There is SAE 45° flare and JIC 37° flare.

Hydraulics use 37°. Can you use a 45° double flare..... yes, you can. It doesn't match, but I've not had issues doing it in low pressure applications. I will however say, it is better to use the correct flare degree. I can't guarantee you no leaks if the flares don't match. Make sense?

I don't know what tools you have, but it you have a tool to double flare, it wouldn't matter which degree cone you use after making the "bubble" for the double flare. I don't know what tool you have that you think is for gas line, but if you mean for flaring copper for LP or NG, that would be 45°.

Thanks for the clarification on the terms it explains why I'm struggling googling this topic.

Your hunch is correct I have a SAE tool that I can make the bubble with and then transfer over and flatten it with the JIC. Great tip Thank you!

hyperlightboards48 05-10-2018 09:11 PM

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Buttened everything up last week. I have used the tractor it a fair amount in the last week: moving dirt around, grading a driveway and tilling. Also I added a foot control. So far I am very happy with the capabilities of it machine. Here are a few pics.

hyperlightboards48 05-10-2018 09:13 PM

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One more pic

IHCubCadet147 05-10-2018 10:52 PM

Looks good!

sparky40 05-11-2018 10:35 PM

Looks Great Tanner, Nice job. It's definitely worth the effort. Enjoy it.

hyperlightboards48 05-11-2018 11:04 PM

Thanks guys! I still need to work out some kinks with the foot pedal. But hopefully I’ll be done sinking money into this one 😁 I keep trying to rationalize the money to myself by thinking of the cost of buying something else with a loader and a tiller. 😉

farmall fred 05-12-2018 10:01 AM

Hey, the power steering install looks good. I have a 1650 with a Kwik-Way loader and I installed the power steering from a cyclops on it and it was a great improvement for it as my wife uses it to do gardening. Do you have any pictures of the foot control hydro? I have been wanting to do that to mine because as it is now you need three hands to run the steering, hydro lever and loader valve when using it. The more you use the loader the more uses you will find for it. I use mine to lift my mower decks after removal to power wash them or to haul my tiller from the shed where I store it to the shop so I can install it an o cement floor. Seems like ours is used at least four days a week for something.

hyperlightboards48 05-14-2018 09:03 AM

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I agree Fred, we find more and more uses... ie: I get lazier and lazier ;)
I don’t have any great pictures of the hydro foot pedal but I think these will help you get an idea. The first picture is just mocked up without the foot pedal. Note the shiny 1/2 inch round stock bar this is what the pedal now lives on. There is a good YouTube video out there where a gentleman created a return to neutral spring when you take your foot off the pedal. Which I think I will end up doing in the future. Let me know if you need anything else.

finsruskw 05-14-2018 10:42 AM

Back to the tube fitting for a moment, if you folks don't mind.

I stopped by the hoe guy I used for the 149/DanCo rebuild hoses etc. and he claims he can weld a JIC fitting to the bare end of the steel tubes for hose applications, allowing use of the OEM O ring fittings wherever needed.

Your Thoughts Jonathon??

Thinking of a PS app for the 149 restore, but I wish now, seeing as how it is 99% complete except for hood, grill and dash paint, I had explored this 10 months ago before I started the project!!

ol'George 05-14-2018 10:51 AM

I would sweat ( silver solder) not weld fittings on the tube,--------
but a better way would be to flair the end of the tube and use a JIC fitting on the tube side and choose a fitting that would provide the correct end to correspond to your hose fitting.
Simple, neat and trouble free.:beerchug:

J-Mech 05-14-2018 10:52 AM

I've seen it done. It should hold fine. Personally, I'd braze or solder it, but if I had a TIG I'd use it. As long as there are no leaks, a welded adapter is fine. :beerchug:

Edit: George posted before me. I like his idea better. No welding. As a note, there are hydraulic compression fittings that can be crimped to a hose. They work fine in low pressure applications. I've used them. Not my preferred method.... but works.

(Off Topic)I do hate it when people use them on brake lines. Too much pressure... too risky. But, as long as they are tight, I've not seen one come off.

finsruskw 05-14-2018 10:55 AM

I have no idea as to which method of securing the fittings to the tube he was going to use. I will look into it more though, thanks guys!!

ol'George 05-14-2018 10:59 AM

Are your hoses a ORFS? (o ring face seal)
Like this:
https://www.hoseandfittingsetc.com/p...s-nuts-sleeves

finsruskw 05-14-2018 11:38 AM

Nope, the hoses are part of the tube assl'y.
Same setup as the OP's post #34

ol'George 05-14-2018 02:19 PM

Then put a flair nut & sleeve on the pipe, and flair it.
Then use the appropriate fitting to mate to the flair nut on the pipe end, to the hose fitting, Prolly a union fitting like this,
but not sure without a pix of what you are trying to do.

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twoton 06-04-2018 07:36 PM

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I know this is old but I been thinkin' 'bout it....:bigthink:

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Originally Posted by finsruskw (Post 453613)
..... he claims he can weld a JIC fitting to the bare end of the steel tubes for hose applications, allowing use of the OEM O ring fittings wherever needed......

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Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 453632)
Then put a flair nut & sleeve on the pipe, and flair it. Then use the appropriate fitting.....

Like this?...:bigthink:

http://pressureconnections.com/custo...Flare_nuts.pdf

J-Mech 06-04-2018 10:15 PM

That's correct.
If he goes right to hydraulic hose, one doesn't need the double nipple union though. Just use a male JIC on the end of the hose. :beerchug:


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