Question for a CC Guru
 

Which CC model would you say is best for a front loader and backhoe conversion? I'm picking up a 1250 in a couple of weeks and have seen it done on that model but is there another that would be a better fit? My father and I have been wanting to purchase a smaller backhoe for a while now but we are both very limited on finances. So both of us thought that going this route might be the cheaper way to go and at the same time be a fun project to do together. Thanks

I perfer hydro's for loaders. The 1250 is WF so that's going to give you more feet room and wider stance plus more room in the engine compartment. I'm sure CADPlans will chime in as he designs both.

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I built one of Cadplans loaders and really enjoyed every minute of it. But I will re-iterate one more time that if you can get power steering you will be a lot happier. On soft ground with the bucket full it is a handful to steer these things without PS. One other safety warning is to ALWAYS lower the bucket, full or empty, when traveling. These little tractors do not have the width of some of the larger ones and tip over real easy especially while turning.

Hydro WF
 

I was thinking the same, except I was curious if a model with a larger horsepower engine would be beneficial?

Power Steering
 

lol, Yes Indeed..We own a 1950 Ford Tractor and that thing is a handful to steer without a load in the bucket. The guy that built his on a 1250 added a power steering pump. He had to modify the engine compartment a little to fit it in but seems worth it. He used CAD PLANS from PF Engineering. Thank you both for the great advice. I can see how this really becomes addicting. I have been sitting on Craig's list every night go through all the new England states searching for CC's. Most are so reasonably priced and in decent shape that you want to buy them all. :biggrin2:

It is addictive!! More horsepower is always better!:biggrin2:

But is not really necessary for a loader. 12 hp will be fine.

I saw video on youtube of the guy with the 1250 loader/hoe. His seemed to bog down a little while using the backhoe. It's hard to tell from the camera audio but maybe he just needs to give it a little more throttle. Anyone else seen it?

Might be picking up a 1250 soon for the same use. I too was curious whether the 1250 could handle it or not.

"Bogging" NEVER occurs due to the backhoe at 12HP, unless you plumbed something wrong.

That size backhoe (or loader) never needs more than 5HP for the hydraulics.

You can always put on the wrong pump etc, but, I consider that part of the plumbing.

It may open the governor to get to 5HP, :bigthink:

i had a KW loader on my 782. had no problem with HP. steering it was the killer. i went to a super 1872 and thru a backhoe on it too. some time soon ill be switching it all over to my 1772.

If I was doing it, I wouldn't put one on anything smaller than a SGT. Just me....

I think the 1250 would be fine for a loader. If finances are tight, you might want to check the cost of a used loader against what it will cost you to convert a cub. You might be able to find one for less than the conversion cost, especially if the conversion entails purchase of a lot of new stuff...

Just curious, maybe someone can answer this (CADPlans?). If you had a ported rear end, could you take hydraulic fluid off the port and run the loader with that? Or not enough pressure/flow? That's just the output of the charge pump right?

The FEL on my 122 has never caused the engine to "labor". I pick up and move 55 gallon barrels of oil with it regularly. On the occasion that I get the bucket under something that it won't pick up, the rear tires simply come off the ground. Running out of power, just isn't an issue.

However, I can see where a hoe could be a different story. If your pump created enough pressure and the tractor were anchored well and you hook something underground that simply won't move and you refused to let go of the handle... You may be able to get the governor in the engine to activate.

My orange backhoe, upon encountering an immovable object either lifts the tractor off the ground or activates the hydraulic relief valves and just sits there and whines. It's 23 hp, and I'd say the only thing more HP will do is give you more gpm on the hydraulic pump to allow the backhoe to move faster while transferring soil out of the hole to an adjacent pile (and return). Theoretically, the cylinders, pump, and backhoe components are sized to optimize performance for whatever HP is available.

That pump doesn't have enough flow. Oh sure, it would do it. But it would be SLOW, and wouldn't pick up much. Max pressure on that pump is only about 600PSI

I got a 149 with a charge pump powered loader, Sam Mac just watched a video of it in operation.

It ain't no Kubota, but, it is WAY better than an True Value Long Handle!! :bigthink:

It ain't too big, it ain't too small!! :biggrin2:

Ask Sam Mac about it picking up a telephone pole! :bigeyes:

I'd like to see that! I really didn't think that it would even be worth making it run off the hydraulic system given how small the pump is. I had considered making a few hydraulic attachments, but was afraid after construction I wouldn't be happy with performance.

The video is available here;

http://www.cadplans.com/order.htm

Plans here;

https://shop.cadplans.com/cadloaders...model-507.html

Ok, maybe I'm missing it..... I don't see a video link on your first page. Did I miss something?

I did not say link. The preview video near the bottom of the page. It is too long to upload.