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sawdustdad 03-05-2013 06:59 PM

I'm tired of tires
 
There is one job working on my cubs that has me cussin' up a storm. It's changing tires-dismounting or mounting new tires on wheels. When I try to use a tube, I manage to pinch and puncture the tube about half the time, or I can't get the tire to hold air enough to seat the bead if I go tubeless. Or, it takes 50 or 60 psi to seat the beads. I'm afraid I'll blow myself up. I've resorted to propane to seat the beads in tubeless situations. I bought a nice set of tire spoons/irons. They are better than the big screwdrivers I was using, but don't really help all that much. It took me over two hours to remove and replace a pair of 23-8.50-12 tires. I need to find a tire shop that will do this reasonably. Do you do your own tires or farm that out? How do you break the bead when dismounting a tire? I'm using my woodworking bench vise to squeeze the tire to break the bead.

ksanders 03-05-2013 07:19 PM

I change 10-20 tires a month at times when really into it. Cars, trucks, mowers, all the same concept. Just break the bead on both sides and push one side into the inner part of the rim and take the opposite side first and work around it. After a few it gets easier. I can break a bead with a screwdriver and hammer if you do it right and it isn't rusted without hurting the tire or rim. the much easier method is a harbor freight bead breaker at 45 dollars tops. Good investment if you do a lot of tires.
Also, the bigger thing my grandpa ever preached on tires and I never forget it. "watch the tube with the tire spoons. Don't pinch it"
I'd argue the most annoying part is getting old used tires that are being contrary to reseat. I just refuse to use carb cleaner and a match and make it "blow out" onto the rim like I see and hear some people do.

Sam Mac 03-05-2013 07:20 PM

Most of the time I take them to Blue Ridge Tire here in Galax. With tubes I put just enough air in them to fill them up but not get pinched, sort of an art to it.

PaulS 03-05-2013 07:30 PM

Something my son and I do is break the bead by removing the valve insert and get a 2X6 about 4 feet long. Lay the tire in the driveway and lay one end of the 2X6 over just the tire but next to the rim. We then drive my pickup up the ramp and most times that breaks the bead, if not a little push with a tire iron will do it. When we mount the tire if a tube goes in we put some baby powder inside the tire and rub the tube with it. We also coat the bead with a little liquid dish detergent and that makes the rib slip much better. When we insert the tube we position the stem through the hole and secure it with a valve removal tool. When we get the tire mounted we pull the stem as far out as it will go and clamp it with vise grips and inflate till the tire seats and then let out the air and insert the valve stem and refill to pressure.

cubby102 03-05-2013 08:19 PM

I've got a manual bead breaker that ivevused for years dad bought it somewhere a long time ago I've noticed harbor freight has one pretty close to what I have that seems to work well just as well from reviews I havnt had a tire I couldn't get loose yet. And I use dawn dish soap mixed with water to help slip them on

sawdustdad 03-05-2013 10:11 PM

Looking at the Harbor Freight mini-tire changer. Seems like that would be a big help. It says it handles up to 12 inch rims. Anyone use one?

IACubCadet 03-05-2013 10:32 PM

A narrow front Farmall tractor or a pickup front wheel works great for breaking beads on bigger tires. :biggrin2: otherwise for small tires a tire iron and a big hammer.

Oak 03-05-2013 11:02 PM

I use my wood splitter and a short piece of 2x6. Just make sure the grain of the wood and the splitter are oppossite and they break easy. I also use the method PaulS talked about. There are some good tips on Utube also.

cubby102 03-05-2013 11:39 PM

If your looking at the 50 dollar one at harbor freight its.like the one I have it says 12 inch but with.a.well placed pipe or 2x4 under it you can do larger I did the 33x12.50r17s on my ram

mickb72 03-06-2013 08:13 AM

tires
 
I use a bumper jack. Tire on solid ground,base of jack on tire edge,jack up the bumper of my 8n. Works pretty good. Mike

Grampie 03-06-2013 09:26 AM

Harbor Freight Tire Changer
 
Let me say, that little tire changer clamped in my 8" vice is the best helping hand I've found ! I think it was like 45 bucks. I'll change a tire / tube in a heart beat ! 4:00x8 wheel barrow to 26x12x12. sweet little tool for do it at home jobs. It also has a bead breaker with it that works real well.

edw 03-06-2013 10:03 AM

tires
 
I have had good luck on small rims/tires using c clamps to break beads.I need to come up with a bigger clamp to use on 12 inch tires/rims.

PaulS 03-06-2013 10:07 AM

Bill that little tire changer sounds like the ticket but it also sounds like others have more of my redneck approach. You know what I mean, one of those, Here hold my beer, stand back and watch this" approach.

vartz04 03-06-2013 10:23 AM

Best way I have found for breaking beads on larger tires is to jack up my truck, put a piece of split firewood between the trailer hitch and the tire with the point of the split right on the bead. I drop the truck down and the bead pops.

That being said I am buying a mini tire changer from HF soon.

Grampie 03-06-2013 10:40 AM

Ha Ha ha
 
You Guys Are TOO FUNNY!!!!! L.M.A.O. :biggrin2:

4SPEED 03-06-2013 11:13 AM

I use a big slide hammer. works very good to brake the bead.

and to air them up. I put a ratchet strap around the tire.

also a good air source with big cfm helps

sawdustdad 03-06-2013 01:49 PM

I've decided I need more tools. A clamp-on air chuck (to inflate w/o the valve stem) to seat the bead. I like the idea of the strap clamp. I also need to use a better bead lubricant. Been using slightly soapy water, need to use soapier water--like 50/50 dish soap/water. They just opened a Harbor Freight about 2 miles from my office, so it's easy to stop by there. I'm going to pick up the mini-tire changer. I watched some you-tube videos and it seems like the ticket. I was thinking I should get the larger tire changer, it would work for larger tires, too. But I am concerned that the larger changer won't work for front tires on the cubs. For $50 I guess you can't lose.

drglinski 03-06-2013 02:14 PM

Last time I needed a tire mounted/changed I took it to discount tire. Let them do the cussing.

vartz04 03-06-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by drglinski (Post 178420)
Last time I needed a tire mounted/changed I took it to discount tire. Let them do the cussing.

I was considering the same thing. I am going to need to do all 4 tires on my cub and that will cost more than the tire changer with a 20% off coupon ($36 with the coupon and the unit being on sale). Plus I will more than likely need to do it again when I ponly up the money for tri ribs if I can't swing it prior to that (currently dismounting for painting)

Sam Mac 03-06-2013 02:56 PM

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You guys haven't lived till you have changed a few of the tires for these toys. I don't miss those days at all, thank you very much. :biggrin2:

cub123 03-06-2013 04:11 PM

I use a old manual bead breaker and a set of TSC tire irons. Takes about 10-15 min a tire. I would rather change two sets of rear tries than one set of front ones though... As far as beading a tubeless tire I put a ratchet strap around center of the tire and tighten it up a little then bounce the tire on the ground a few times and put some air in it, once it starts to bead remove the strap and finish beading it. :beerchug:

bllwnkl 03-06-2013 05:25 PM

It worked for my V61s! :ThumbsUp: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...hp?albumid=507

Grampie 03-07-2013 06:24 PM

Big tires
 
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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 178432)
You guys haven't lived till you have changed a few of the tires for these toys. I don't miss those days at all, thank you very much. :biggrin2:

SAM, How about BIG, STINKY TIRES on a Garbage Truck? Does that count? Usually inside rear!

Sam Mac 03-07-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Grampie (Post 178694)
SAM, How about BIG, STINKY TIRES on a Garbage Truck? Does that count? Usually inside rear!

I'll pass, I've done a 12.00 X 24 split rim inside on a loaded concrete truck on a 100 degree day and that was enough for me. Add in the smell from a grabage truck and I think I would puke.:beerchug:

EricR 03-07-2013 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 178341)
Bill that little tire changer sounds like the ticket but it also sounds like others have more of my redneck approach. You know what I mean, one of those, Here hold my beer, stand back and watch this" approach.

Yeah and the bad part is he has driven the truck each and every time and I seem to get stuck on the dirty end! :ROTF2: I don't mind as it has saved us a bunch of $$$$$$$$$$.

And Sam I have changed a bunch of tires on my old tri-axle and agree I don't miss that kind of work either.


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