Valve stems on inside of rims
 

Anyone ever see this style rims before? Bought a 102 for parts and when we got to looking at the rims, the valve stem holes are on the backside. They have the hump by the stem hole so they are not just drilled. Ok my father said maybe something to do with wheel weights . But have weights on my rims and no issues same size rims. They look like they are turned inside out but the raised surface ring inside bolt circle says different? Any clues I'm guessing different make than cub? Ok just never saw this before. I will try to put pics up this evening. Not letting me upload from phone. Ok thanks for any input!

Different make. I have purchased a couple cubs with this and the stems actually rub on the brakes if you have external brakes. JD rims are like this

They could also be Sears Suburban/David Bradley type rims. If you can find really short valve stems, they may clear the brakes.

The older cubs with internal brakes had the valve stem on the backside of the wheel and the valve stem was moved to the front when external brakes came out. the hump tells me its not a cub wheel but I have seen something like what you describe on a jd my friend has but im not sure there even original to that tractor as I know nothing about green tractors.

Thanks guys we had never seen this style before. There is a slight hump right above the hole and looks similar to a cub. Never heard about early cubs being backwards can u elaborate on that? Father has a 70 and a 73 both on the outside, that's why we were wondering? I will post some pics this evening, they have tubes in them now. Nothing wrong with them just was strange when we saw them on the inside. Thanks for the info. What was the reasoning for the higher box under seat and steering tower? We compared to his 70 and 73 and frame looks identical except for said higher box and fenders of course. Is this the whole reason so they could use same chassis for the 14-16hp models too? But trans looks the same height as earlier models? Ok sorry had to ask!

As far as im aware all internal brake cubs came from the factory with the valve stem on the inside which is the way alot of older farm tractors were, when cub went to external brakes they put the valve stem on the outside because the valve stem would hit the brakes. If that info is incorrect someone please chime in.

Cubs came from the factory with valve stems on the outside. If they are on the inside, they are from another manufacturer. Wheel weights were made with a notch in them to allow for valve stem clearance.

Ok thanks I was really starting to wonder! Cause I have seen 70's with stems on the outside haven't ran into an original yet but assumed they where outside on all? Thanks guys!:beerchug:

I second that statement.

One front wheel on my 102 has the stem on the inside. Guess I need to find a wheel as I am fixing it up :bigthink:

Not meaning to be smart, but does it just need to be flipped around?:bigthink:

I have one on the inside too on my 102. I bought it at a cadet dealer as a replacement for one that broke out the hub. No you cannot just turn the wheel around as there is an inside and outside. In other words they are an offset rim.

Got ya! I have two 102's and 2 122's and only one has the wider, offset rims, I somehow had it in my head the narrow rims could go either way without much difference. (and you both may be talking about the wide ones) I do have several odd rims, including one on an Original with valve stems on the inside (which I notice when playing with some hubcaps and thought inside valve stem could be an advantage here).
I also have some "odd" rear rims with inside valve stems, thought they might be handy for the inside set in a dual wheel situation. :bigthink:

I got my info from a guy thats been selling cubs since the 70s, im not saying hes right or wrong but if they really did come with the valve stems on the outside than just about every cub in western pa has the wrong rims on it.

At least my Dad's 125 had the stem on the outside.
But that would be a late model internal brake CC.

I've bought a lot of early cubs in western PA and I've yet to buy one with the valves on the inside. They all came from IH with valves on the outside. I'm betting Mike would agree and he has 20x's the cubs I have and I have a lot!!! Hehehe

That is the way that I have always seen them, too. I had a 169 with Sears rims and the brakes would hit the valve stems and make the tires leak whenever it rolled.

Cub Cadet 123

My grandpa bought his 102 new in 1965 (I think the first year for them?), other than being inherited by my Dad after grandpa passed away, its a 1 owner tractor and should be one of the earliest of its kind.

The valve stems are on the outside.

I have no reason to believe the wheels were ever changed out unless grandpa demanded that such a silly design NOT be part of his tractor at initial purchase time. Grandpa didn't tolerate stupid too terribly well so that's possible but far fetched. He would have probably just bought something else instead.

Looks like I stand corrected, thanks for the info.

To the best of my knowledge IH never used wheels that had the valve stem on the "inside" (front OR rear wheels).

Narrow Frame tractors with wide wheels have the deep dish side of the wheel pointing outward with the valve stem on the outward side (deep dish side) Wide Frame tractors have the shallow side of the wheel pointing outward with the valve stem on the outward side (shallow dish side).

If your valve stems are on the wrong side of the wheel then you have the wrong wheel on your machine.

If you have narrow front wheels with the valve stem on the inside... Take the wheel off and turn it around.

Thanks for clearing that up Mark!:beerchug:

That was the thinking behind my initial reply and had narrow rims on my mind. :High5:

dgrapes59, I did just that on my dual setup, Sears Suburban wheel inside, Cub outside. Makes it easy to check pressure.

Chris

JD wheel offset is different on all models that I am familiar with. Wheel Horse uses a very similar offset to Cub Cadet and have the stems on the inside. David-Bradley / Sears also uses a similar offset. I suggest it is one of these two. :TwoCents:

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Sorry it took so long for the pictures, here's 3.
Unless someone can give me some information, I have no way to tell if they're John Deere / Sears / or Other.
I do like the dual wheel idea with the stems on the inside and outside.
I appreciate all the info!

all my wheel horses have had the valve stem on the inside of the wheel.