Another "is it worth it" thread
 

While on my quest to find a Haban blade for my Super, I had a guy contact me about one he has that he's selling. We got to talking, and it turns out he is a Cub guy. I found out he's got a 1512 he's selling. This machine has an hour meter that stopped working when he got it at about 240 hours so IDK for sure how many are on it now. As it sits, it's got a hydraulic angle 42" blade, a 44" deck and a 3 point. He's got it priced at $2250. Now I think this price is too high, but what I'm proposing to him is a trade with some cash to make up the difference (since I don't have the raw capital to outright buy it).

I'm debating offering him my sub-500 hour 1864 with a 54" deck and 54" non-power angle blade. I may also offer to throw in my QA-42A for the right deal. My question to you guys is what would you consider a fair deal? This is one of those "I don't really need this" kinda things. I'm happy with the machines I have now, but since this is a hobby, and a hobby is all about having what you want, I want a diesel!! :biggrin2: So what do y'all think? :bigthink:

BTW, here's a link to the 1512 with pics:

http://madison.craigslist.org/grd/4602649160.html

I think you better stay away from the diesel. You are just getting good at working on gas motors. That's my :TwoCents:


But, that's not what your asking. I still think that $2K is too much for any CC that is over 20 yrs old, but that is also an opinion. If that is what you are going to offer as trade, then I'd still expect to shell out some cash. If the guy is versed in cubs, he know what the diesel will bring. Doesn't matter if I would pay that price or not, somebody will in 10 seconds flat. I'd say, if he takes the deal he will take your machine and attachments and still want at least a grand. Maybe more. Let's be realistic.... your 1864 is maybe worth $750, blade $150 and blower $150, $200 on the high end. I think those are generous numbers.

Looks like a good deal to me. If I had the funds you wouldn't have to worry about it. It would be in Missouri in a few hours...

I respect your opinion, but the way I see it, a guys gotta learn somehow and I'm the kinda guy that can read a manual all day but until I get my hands on it, it's all just words.

As far as your pricing, that's kinda where I am. I think his diesel is priced a bit too high, but your prices for my equipment isn't too far off what I thought it to be worth (although everyone likes to think there stuff is worth more than it is, and I'll be the first to admit that :biggrin2:). I figured about $100 more on the tractor, and maybe $200 for the blade and blower each, respectively. I doubt it'll happen, but I'd regret if I didn't try :biggrin2:

I'll say the same thing I tell people who want diesel pickups........ They are expensive to work on. Don't say you weren't warned. :beerchug: As long as they run, they're great. When they don't....... :BangPC::RTFM:

I'd rather have your 1864, but that's just my non professional opinion. :biggrin2:

Just a FYI I paid $2200 for my 1782 with a 60" Haban deck. Yes I put some $$$ into it but not too much.

Is that guy a member here? I emailed him about an Original and a 50c deck back in June, but he sold the O before I could get up there.

I think if it were me I'd trade off the super you just got, 1864 w/ a 54 is about as good as it gets. What advantage does the diesel give you? About all I see you gaining is the dual hydraulics (which I understand, I'd like a dual stick by winter myself). Thinking the diesel could be harder to start in the winter too.

Does he deal much with Cyclops? I thought he was almost all IH stuff.

IDK if he's a member here or not, I didn't ask. And it sounds kinda like he does deal primarily with IH stuff, he didn't mention much CCC he had. As for the 1864 54" combo being about as good as it gets, I couldn't agree more. Plenty of power and the best thing is that TIGHT turning radius. I would love to have dual stick on it, but it's not necessary. Oh suuurrree, in the winter, it'd be nice (I plow my driveway plus numerous neighbors as well as our 10 acres of sidewalks at work) but then again, getting up to switch the blade keeps me warm and the blood pumping, at least that's how I justify it :biggrin2:

As for trading off the Super, I don't think I'd do that, get rid of it, unless it was for another Super. Here's why, and it's a little bit about me and my hobby: As long as I have one "worker" machine (right now that's the 1864, would have been the 1512), the rest I have are ones I want, ones that really interest me, or I think are just plain neat. Hence the Super. I don't really NEED a 22hp large Cub (it's too big for mowing the neighbor's yard and almost for some spots of mine) but for some reason that bigger stature, those black fender flares, the bigger tires; it just makes me giddy like a little kid riding around on it :biggrin2:

He ended up getting back to me. His final offer was the 1864 with 54 deck, 54 blade, and a qa42a plus $800 for his 1512 and power angle blade (but no deck). It wasn't a horrible deal, but I politely declined. Diesel or not, to me, that was a lot of good hardware I was offering up for, like John said, a 25 year old tractor. Another deal will come along, they always do, but for now, I'm going to go home and have no regrets about what I've got now :beerchug:

Haha thanks Sam! And $2200 for a 1782 with a 60" Haban sounds a little better to me, but like you, that's just my non professional opinion :biggrin2: :beerchug:

Once again....tooo bad you're not closer. I would give you $1,000 for your 1864 package in less than the 10 seconds that J-Mech mentioned for that diesel. Regardless, you're not in Ohio so that won't happen. I love my 1864/54" setup and would jump on another one if I could find one that is nice and not crazy priced. I found one within an hours drive with a hydro leak and he wouldn't move from $1500. Like you, I walked away still happy with what I have.

Ryan,
When I bought my first smoker, I didn't have a huge knowledge base on the kubota diesels. I'd been around larger tractor diesels, though (806, 1206, 560D, etc.) I like your style and thinking about getting your hands dirty and learning. Any diesel can be pricey to work on. But so can Onans', Commands, twin Kohlers, etc. I haven't met a little kubota that doesn't run great yet. All my smokers were bought as runners and the highest houred one is 1100 hours IIRC.

I wonder what Todd's take is on the diesels. He's been around and has more smokers than I do. Wonder if he has some input?

Price on that 1512 is high IMHO. Been listed on CL for 2 months now and still not sold. We all know the diesels usually don't last very long so :bigthink:.

If someone decides to buy this, I may be able to sweeten the deal by taking the 3pt hitch off your hands.

Looks nice, but I think he is a little high on the price but, most of mine I had to put $300 to $500 in them to get them where they were good workers and then add the cat 0. If you go the cheap route like I do, plan on a good $200 for the drive line(rag joint type), probably another $100 for filters and belts, another $125 for the starter/GP upgrade and y'all know you can't have a diesel with turf tires so there's another $250...it adds up quick. Keep looking, one will show up when the time is right.:beerchug:

I gave up finding a "right priced" diesel.......

Sooooo I bought a motor instead and I'll just make one. :biggrin2:

I forgot to mention that too.... There was a D640 here on CL close to my house pulled from a 1782 in January. It was the complete engine cradle with the Cub motor plate and the asking price was $1200. I figured I would wait a week and make an offer. I did that and called the guy, it sold a few days after he posted it.:bash2: These little diesel engines bring good money yet.

I "bought" mine for a trade. Kid wanted a running gas engine to replace it. He got a CH18, and I got a D600. I was happy, happy, happy!!!

He thought he was gonna put it in a puller..... but couldn't make it run. Now I get to. Came with a radiator, but no cradle. I didn't care about the cradle. Mine is going to be "special" anyway. :biggrin2::BlahBlah:

You know, it's funny. They only bring big $$ when it says "out of a #### cub cadet". Mine came from a Jacobson. Same motor.... less $$. Gotta know how to "work it". :biggrin2:

I know Mike Masheris up in Elgin, IL has used the Jacobsen diesel in a cub. I've seen em in the Jacobsen golf course reel mowers. Usually have quite a few more hours on them. I've seen a couple with 3000+ hours still running good with proper maintenance.