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johnpded 12-20-2014 04:52 PM

2182 Cub Cadet with a 4th blower
 
I'm having trouble with the blower it keeps throwing the belt. I changed 2 of the 3 pulleys and the mounting bracket that holds the tension pulleyes and I changed the spring. Any ideas?:beer2:

Sam Mac 12-20-2014 05:09 PM

If you can post some pics someone may see a problem.

R Bedell 12-20-2014 07:00 PM

What belts are you using...........?????? :Huh:

johnpded 12-21-2014 04:01 PM

Using mtd belts from a farm supply cub cadet dealer. I'll post pictures a little later

R Bedell 12-21-2014 05:01 PM

What do you mean "the 4th blower"...??? :Huh:

Shrewcub 12-21-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by R Bedell (Post 301364)
What do you mean "the 4th blower"...??? :Huh:

My guess is autocorrect didn't like 450 or 451.

johnpded 12-22-2014 11:22 PM

You're right auto correct:BangPC:

johnpded 12-22-2014 11:28 PM

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jimbob200521 12-23-2014 09:44 AM

I don't have enough experience with the 450/451 blowers but something looks off with that belt tensioner. I have the same sporadic issue with mine (the couple times I dry ran it :biggrin2:) the belt will hop off the PTO when engaging it. I just pop it back on and I'm good to go but still weird none-the-less. I will be following this thread. :bigthink:

Sam Mac 12-23-2014 09:59 AM

Looks like the belt may be upside down on the lower pulley in the second pic. May be just they way I'm looking at it. Don't know if you put it on that way or if it flipped over.

Group_44 12-23-2014 10:27 AM

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I'm a little confused about what I am seeing in the photos showing the tensioning spring. I have a 450 and a 451 blower and neither of them have that round rod with the spring attached, are you sure it is a 450/451 blower? It looks more like a 551 as far as the tensioning system and the lower carriage goes. Here is what the 450 currently attached to my 2082 looks like. Also the pulley that you didn't change, the rusty one, looks like it is on an angle. Maybe the bearing or mount pin is worn. Are you mixing parts between a 451 and a 551?

johnpded 12-26-2014 11:07 PM

No the belt is right side up. But I discovered that one of the augers has a broken shear pin. I don't know if that makes a difference in the balance and that causes it to come off. I heard that not running a cub cadet belt would make it jump off but I don't know if that is true

johnpded 12-26-2014 11:16 PM

Well I'm not sure about mixing the parts. The tension rod was on it when I bought it. The rusty pulley spins fine and even. I'm stumped

J-Mech 12-27-2014 12:05 AM

Ok, that isn't a 450/1 it's a 551. Lower frames are different on the 551. What is the SN# of your tractor? The early SN#'s call for the 450 blower and the late for the 451/551. You may have the wrong PTO for the particular blower you are using which would throw off belt alignment.

Grasping straws here.....

No, the sheared pin will not make the belt go funky. Not related at all.

Group_44 12-27-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 302046)
Ok, that isn't a 450/1 it's a 551. Lower frames are different on the 551.

Yep, that's what I said.

johnpded 12-27-2014 08:54 PM

Yup its a 551. 2 of the upper mounting pivot bolts seem loose which I can move the bower forward and back but I don't think that is it either. One of the shoulder bolts where the blower slides over when you mount it is tightened more than the other. I'm thinking the blower mount isn't back far enough. I'll try that tomorrow. What's your thoughts on not using cub cadet belts?

Shrewcub 12-27-2014 09:15 PM

If you are messing up the correct, big $ cub belts as it is. I would use cheaper belts until you get it figured out. Just my :TwoCents:

johnpded 12-27-2014 10:32 PM

No just the mtd belts right now

R Bedell 12-28-2014 07:11 AM

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Yup its a 551.
Look at all postings (15) it took to get the right model number of the implement. :crap:

This is why it is important to give complete and accurate information from the original post.

:ThumbsUp:

drglinski 12-28-2014 10:58 AM

Buy a blade. Those do not throw belts.

Seriously though, I have no idea why the blower is throwing belts. Good luck.

Oak 12-28-2014 02:55 PM

WOW! I'm surprised that belts last any time on something like that, too many twists and turns. Was MTD too cheap to do a shaft driven blower?

Group_44 12-28-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by johnpded (Post 302136)
Yup its a 551. 2 of the upper mounting pivot bolts seem loose which I can move the bower forward and back but I don't think that is it either. One of the shoulder bolts where the blower slides over when you mount it is tightened more than the other. I'm thinking the blower mount isn't back far enough. I'll try that tomorrow. What's your thoughts on not using cub cadet belts?

There is really nothing "special" about most of the belts, as long as you use a quality name brand belt like a Gates in the correct length, width and profile it should perform just fine.

Group_44 12-28-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oak (Post 302232)
WOW! I'm surprised that belts last any time on something like that, too many twists and turns. Was MTD too cheap to do a shaft driven blower?

No more twists than the mule drive on your 982, and yes the 3000 series tractors have a shaft drive blower and deck.:beerchug:

Oak 12-28-2014 04:49 PM

Group 44, true, but I'm thinking that the angle the belt is hitting that front pulley it will wear faster than normal. If they only used one set of idler pulleys I don't see how the belt would align up properly. I'm thinking it will look like this. V

Plus that belt is shorter than a mower deck and is twisting more because the drive and driven pulleys are parallel.

:bigthink: I don't know, I'm just throwing that out there. I live in Georgia and have never seen a 451 or a 551.

J-Mech 12-28-2014 04:54 PM

It's not as bad as it looks like in the pics Todd. I don't have my blower on now, but my belt runs really straight. The last couple winters I put around 40 or 50 hours (per winter) on mine. I'm using the same belt I bought about 10 years ago. So probably about 200-250 hours on it. (It doesn't get used every year.)

johnpded 01-02-2015 12:57 PM

Thanks David I thought about buying a blade but I hate having big snow banks all around. Plus it looks like crap when you are done


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