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drifter 06-09-2015 09:24 PM

Narrow frame hydraulic unit "w" spring
 
Bought a new return spring for my cub 123 from Patton acres. He told me he had a nos one reproduced and has never had a problem with the springs. Says he sells a few a week. When I went to install mine it seems like it's too long and the bend is a 1/4" off. Anyone else have this problem? The guy I talked to was very nice when i explained it to him. He said no problem send it back and he will refund me my money. He also said he is the only one he knows that has these springs and sells to all the other venders. So I either need to find the correct spring or make this one work. It's spring steel so can I just heat it up and rebend it? I will post a pict when my phone charges.

drifter 06-09-2015 09:38 PM

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Yosemite Sam 06-09-2015 10:30 PM

How does it compare to your old one?

drifter 06-09-2015 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam (Post 332656)
How does it compare to your old one?

1/4 longer at the 90*. I think he may have had a bad run or something. He said no one else has said anything like that.

Yosemite Sam 06-09-2015 11:27 PM

I have never heard of Rich ever jipping anyone.

I'm sure he will make it good.

drifter 06-10-2015 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam (Post 332674)
I have never heard of Rich ever jipping anyone.

I'm sure he will make it good.

That is not the issue. I just want to fix my tractor. He said if I'm not happy send it back. Wondering if anyone else has ran into this.:American Flag 1

ol'George 06-10-2015 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by drifter (Post 332644)
Bought a new return spring for my cub 123 from Patton acres. He told me he had a nos one reproduced and has never had a problem with the springs. Says he sells a few a week. When I went to install mine it seems like it's too long and the bend is a 1/4" off. Anyone else have this problem? The guy I talked to was very nice when i explained it to him. He said no problem send it back and he will refund me my money. He also said he is the only one he knows that has these springs and sells to all the other venders. So I either need to find the correct spring or make this one work. It's spring steel so can I just heat it up and rebend it? I will post a pict when my phone charges.

My experience with spring steel is bend it cold, heating it makes it loose it's spring temper.
Is it installed correctly? (I'm not familiar with that setup)

drifter 06-10-2015 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 332699)
My experience with spring steel is bend it cold, heating it makes it loose it's spring temper.
Is it installed correctly? (I'm not familiar with that setup)

Yes it is installed correctly. I left the old one on so I would know exactly how to replace it.

DoubleO7 06-10-2015 10:18 AM

Photo credits to cubcadetman.com

http://www.cubcadetman.com/cc/wp-con...pump-pic-3.jpg
http://www.cubcadetman.com/cc/wp-con...pump-pic-4.jpg
http://www.cubcadetman.com/cc/wp-con...pump-pic-2.jpghttp://www.cubcadetman.com/cc/wp-con...pump-pic-1.jpg

Kinda looks like maybe you do not have #36 sleeve inside of the spring?

But my eye tells me the spring you have is no where near the same as the first pic from cubcadetman.com
Yours is shaped like the springs shown in the pump.

drifter 07-26-2015 01:23 PM

Update,I broke the first spring so I had to order another one. Fits just like the first one i bought from Paton acres. Anyone else having issues with fitment? Do I have a different pump than original? Really need to get this figured out

litlmikeyl 07-26-2015 04:16 PM

A visit to CubCadetMan's site might be a good step at this point. I noticed on another forum that one of their members was referred to his site by a couple of other members when he had some questions. You may very well have a pump that was initially built for a different end user.

I ended up visiting the site for info on my pump as I got my setup in pieces and it led me to a wealth of info; parts, rebuild info, differences between the different end users, cheats & tips.

The centering spring, IIRC, was one of the parts the changed depending on the end user (IH, Wheel Horse, etc.).

drifter 07-26-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by litlmikeyl (Post 339119)
A visit to CubCadetMan's site might be a good step at this point. I noticed on another forum that one of their members was referred to his site by a couple of other members when he had some questions. You may very well have a pump that was initially built for a different end user.

I ended up visiting the site for info on my pump as I got my setup in pieces and it led me to a wealth of info; parts, rebuild info, differences between the different end users, cheats & tips.

The centering spring, IIRC, was one of the parts the changed depending on the end user (IH, Wheel Horse, etc.).

Not seeing anything on his site that will help me out. Have you found anything that I'm missing?

Alvy 07-26-2015 04:34 PM

Drifter as double O 7 stated did you verify item #36 is in there? I don't see why it wouldn't be but hey why not ask

drifter 07-26-2015 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvy (Post 339127)
Drifter as double O 7 stated did you verify item #36 is in there? I don't see why it wouldn't be but hey why not ask

It's there installed correctly. Thanks for your reply. Just talked to lew he agrees that everything is installed correctly and we came up with different measurements between oem and reproduction.

Alvy 07-26-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by drifter (Post 339128)
It's there installed correctly. Thanks for your reply. Just talked to lew he agrees that everything is installed correctly and we came up with different measurements between oem and reproduction.


Encyc"Lew"pedia, always something to learn from that young man from Joisey.

darkminion_17 07-26-2015 05:17 PM

You killin' me alvy,killn'

DoubleO7 07-27-2015 08:06 PM

Check out this thread on the Hein Werner pumps:

http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic...or-rare-parts/

http://www.normstoys.com/index.htm

Can't find the parts on his website but maybe his are closer to original shape?

darkminion_17 07-27-2015 09:32 PM

Mine are pretty much original.They are NOS
I have the parts book for the early originals and it shows the other spring that is listed on his post which BTW is 3 years old.

Terry C 07-28-2015 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alvy (Post 339130)
Encyc"Lew"pedia, always something to learn from that young man from Joisey.

That's a classic, right up there with Kelly Lewbook:beerchug:

drifter 08-05-2015 05:30 PM

UPDATE:

The "nos" 196x W spring is what I needed, not the "nos" 20xx W spring.


Big thanks to Lew

darkminion_17 08-05-2015 09:00 PM

Hey it worked!
glad i can help,any pics of the difference between the two?

drifter 08-05-2015 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 340454)
Hey it worked!
glad i can help,any pics of the difference between the two?

I'll get one tomorrow.


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