Kind of stumped
 

I might be trading my 582 for a 682 but the guy says it's red and made by mtd..mine is by ih

Is he right or wrong? I llovemy 582 but need something bigger to mow with

Yes he's correct. It should also have a black front and rear axle. Rear axle can be eather cast iron or aluminum. Red ones were sold at ih dealers and yellow were at cub cadet dealers.

Well i havent seen it yet. Said has the the series 2 kohler twin. Would i be down grading since everything I have is ih or upgrading. Has 50 deck and i have 44

About the only real difference between the two the then the series two would be the paint and if it had a aluminum rear diff. Which personaly I've never had a issue with. Cut just as well and are just as usable as the ih built one. If it is a real early one it may have the cast rear which in that case the only real difference is the paint... personaly I like 582 better then 682s. But I'm quite fond of gear drives.

Me too but i rarely use my 582 other than when at shows drive it around to see things

I guess I'm missing something because I'm not understanding.

The 582 is a 16 hp gear drive and the 682 is a 17 hp hydrostatic drive.

The same mower decks were available for both machines. And with the hydrostat transmission demanding more power to operate than a gear drive transmission, your 582 is just as capable of a machine as a 682.

Besides hydro/gear drive transmissions the only other real difference between the two is the 682 has a Kohler engine where the 582 has a B & S.

So how come you think there is enough difference that you want to trade?

Hydrostatic transmissions do not take more hp to run, they do not transmit as much hp to the ground. Hp efficiency is the difference.

My only thing is that its mtd not ih...everything I have is ih or ji case. Love kohlers but my 582 is the first red cub i ever got. I dont mow with it just show it at shows. I mow withbmy 1650 and its a power house...guess my thing is how reliable are the series 2 kohlers cuz ive never owned one

Plus the guy wants to trade me even. 682 for my 582..

OH MY GOD, Once again I've worded something incorrectly and was busted by the correct police.

I didnt correct you. I knew what you were saying. Just im little lost on the newer mowers.

It goes by Chassis Serial Number

IH Made = <700,000

CCC Made = 700,000>

Well im not sure just yet what the numbers are on it
He said it's all red and missing the ih emblem on the front. Hope it is a ih

Sam you and Jon crack me up. :BB&YS::ROTF1::ROTF2:

When ih sold the cub Cadet line to mtd they worked closely together for many years to ensure quality, the tractors made by mtd were the same quality as the ih built machines. You will notice on the ih built tractor the dash has the ih logo but on the mtd built tractors it will say cub cadet, if its a mtd built machine it will not have an ih logo in the grille.

IMHO.......the IH designed was used by CCC/MTD from 1981 to 1989. Then a new generation appeared.

The red color indicates it was made between 1979 through 1984.

hears 782 MTD made

So it doesn't matter either way...how good are the kohler series 2 twins? I know how B&S are and how the K series are. Would they be good for mowing ditch banks for longer periods and at different angles

Not if it's the 1st series.....although my dad's yard is very hilly and we've mowed it for years on a series 1 and it hasn't blown yet.

We need pictures for comparison, see what your getting into.
You could always take your IH emblem off and put it on the 682 .

Oh, I'm sorry. As I read it you didn't know the difference. That's why I stated the proper information.



OP, you are worried about nothing. You are trading a gear driver for a hydro. Obviously this is some kind of big deal to you. If your not comfortable with the deal, don't do it. They are equally built machines, just different transmissions and engine manufacturers. Basically it's the same difference between a 756 gear drive and an 826 hydro if you want to think about it in IH tractor talk.

If you want it to mow with, you will be better off with the hydro.

Well only problem is that i mow with a hydro now and it's fine just seeking input on a 682...

That's a matter of opinion, I prefer gear drive.

I think eye have a better idea,
sit and drink cold ones and watch the young thang' next door mow her bumpy yard:biggrin2:

That's the right answer! :beerchug:

In regards to the Kohler II, the one in my 1981 782 is original and untouched. It has more than enough power for what I use it for which is a tilling machine. It does smoke a little at start up. I like mowing with a gear drive personally.

I used to mow all of the time with a hydro, but in the last two years have been mowing with a gear drive and find it a lot of fun. It really goes down to personal preference. You have to decide if it is time to try a change. Not all change is a good change. Take it for a test drive and see what you think. Whenever you are faced with a tough decision, reflect and pray on it....then listen. Let us know what happens in your deal.

Best regards,

Cub Cadet 123

I've been mowing with hydros for 20 some years and will continue to mow the "tight" areas of the yard (around the house and where the bushes and such things are)

BUT for the past couple of years, I've been on the look-out for a respectable old 128 that I can rebuild a 14 hp Kohler for, to mow the bigger areas of the yard (including the Highway ditches). I think it's time to set back and relax a little while mowing, instead of constantly having a hand on the hydro lever adjusting ground speed to compensate for varying conditions.

Oh my gosh, I just realized that in my mind, I really do think I need a designated tractor for EACH job/attachment. And to think, I just had a conversation with a friend about others who have "disorders"... What a mess this is turning out to be.

cub
 

Hey Yo Sam i/ve allways heard you have to have a tractor for every implement. I/ve slowly worked that my way, not that i intended to. Works out good for some things. Covered space is limited. I/m one tractor over the line sweet Jesus. Mike:bash2:

I think it is all about intended use and operator preference.
I always had a gear drive, but as the years have rolled on, after 3+ hours of mowing, my bad clutch knee told me it was not happy,
as well as my shoulder from turning the steering wheel.
So I went with hydraulic's about 6 seasons ago.
The ol' 782 requires little to go from fwd to reverse and the added power steering causes no discomfort after mowing.
If I had an acre or less, prolly it would not be an issue.
Just a view from someones else's eyes.:bigthink:

Gotta ask...why would you trade? For him or for you? Sounds like you have a mowing machine so that's a null point. For a show? For riding around? This one's all up to you OP :beerchug: