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OldSkull 09-22-2015 12:14 AM

Cheap Hydrogen
 
Cheap hydrogen production? If they succeed to produce a cost-effectively safe system they may have a winner there!

I'm still skeptical l but I wish they prove me wrong :bigthink:

http://www.caltech.edu/news/artifici...eid=e455aeb33a

Yosemite Sam 09-22-2015 01:03 AM

They will probably succeed in producing an inexpensive product, BUT DON'T BE FOOLED, there will be no savings of any kind for the consumer.

ol'George 09-22-2015 08:05 AM

Well kind of like these new gas powered cars.
https://www.facebook.com/michelle.ta...8491296528174/ :biggrin2:

Sam Mac 09-22-2015 01:04 PM

OK kids I cleaned this one up, now play nice. :biggrin2:

j4c11 09-22-2015 01:09 PM

I don't think hydrogen will ever make it's way into any kind of consumer application. It's highly explosive, has 1/4 the energy density of gasoline by volume, it's hard to transport, hard to distribute etc. Maybe for industrial applications, but we've been burning stuff for our energy needs since the caveman days, maybe it's time to move on. The generation of nearly free energy should be the goal of man kind. With nearly free energy you can grow crops in the desert, desalinate ocean water, live independently, and solve all of humanity's problems.

olds45512 09-22-2015 01:30 PM

Iwe need to go back to the 60s and 70s when all the cars had big blocks and got 8 miles to the gallon, nobodies ever done a bada$$ burnout in a Prius.:biggrin2:

ol'George 09-22-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by olds45512 (Post 346338)
Iwe need to go back to the 60s and 70s when all the cars had big blocks and got 8 miles to the gallon, nobodies ever done a bada$$ burnout in a Prius.:biggrin2:

Whats a Prius? is that like a Zo6 or SS 502 :biggrin2:

OldSkull 09-22-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by j4c11 (Post 346332)
I don't think hydrogen will ever make it's way into any kind of consumer application. It's highly explosive, has 1/4 the energy density of gasoline by volume, it's hard to transport, hard to distribute etc. Maybe for industrial applications, but we've been burning stuff for our energy needs since the caveman days, maybe it's time to move on. The generation of nearly free energy should be the goal of man kind. With nearly free energy you can grow crops in the desert, desalinate ocean water, live independently, and solve all of humanity's problems.

So I'm not the only skeptical here! But we just talking about a cheap way of producing clean energy, not the most secure or efficient energy density per sq ft. Otherwise we just power every car or truck on the road with Bio fuel.

Where I live electric offer only 50% of their EPA rating in winter so this kind of free energy is not an option for us up North until super capacitor or a new kind of electric high capacity storage became a reality.

Berwil 09-22-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by olds45512 (Post 346338)
.........nobodies ever done a bada$$ burnout in a Prius.:biggrin2:

This guy did...atleast his friend thinks it's BA. :biggrin2::biggrin2:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R5bOcCqgoSE

Cub Cadet 123 09-22-2015 04:48 PM

Free energy? I believe Tesla had it over 100 years ago. Too bad we don't appreciate these great minds like we should in their own time. Einstein knew, when they asked him what it was like to be a genius and he told them to go ask Tesla. The world may never see another like him again.

Cub Cadet 123

OldSkull 09-22-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cub Cadet 123 (Post 346348)
Free energy? I believe Tesla had it over 100 years ago. Too bad we don't appreciate these great minds like we should in their own time. Einstein knew, when they asked him what it was like to be a genius and he told them to go ask Tesla. The world may never see another like him again.

Cub Cadet 123

I can't be more proud of been a member of this forum after reading such a truly piece of art statement, Tesla was the greatest of all scientist of his time he die poor and forget by all the rest of the scientist band wagon who never take him seriously after he lost everything in his last project.

64fleetside 09-22-2015 07:32 PM

Sometimes true genius is confused with crazy by average dumb folks. Without Tesla's work we wouldn't have many modern conveniences.

Alvy 09-22-2015 08:38 PM

I'm in the material handling biz, wal mart distribution centers already using hydrogen fuel cells in their lift trucks in Canada. The local DC to me says they will be converted next year and have their own on site hydrogen manufacturing plant to refuel. Time will tell

j4c11 09-22-2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvy (Post 346377)
I'm in the material handling biz, wal mart distribution centers already using hydrogen fuel cells in their lift trucks in Canada. The local DC to me says they will be converted next year and have their own on site hydrogen manufacturing plant to refuel. Time will tell

There's an application I hadn't thought of. Driving around in an enclosed space with no exhaust fume buildup is huge.

Terry C 09-22-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSkull (Post 346352)
I can't be more proud of been a member of this forum after reading such a truly piece of art statement, Tesla was the greatest of all scientist of his time he die poor and forget by all the rest of the scientist band wagon who never take him seriously after he lost everything in his last project.

I agree. I have never understood why Edison is a household name but Tesla not.
He had some far out theories about some things but his contrabutions to practical things is undeniable.

Cub Cadet 123 09-22-2015 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry C (Post 346382)
I agree. I have never understood why Edison is a household name but Tesla not.
He had some far out theories about some things but his contrabutions to practical things is undeniable.

How true! Edison even stole Tesla's ideas. Really a neat guy to read about. He had laid out the plans for the modern day cellular phones, televisions, and developed a remote control bomb all before the 20th century. My favorite is his device he made to amplify waves which he used to create earthquakes. Sorry....this if off topic, but I thought it was noteworthy to mention him and his accomplishments in a thread involving energy.

Cub Cadet came out with a zero turn that ran off of propane to lower emissions. It was marketed for baseball/football/soccer fields that were enclosed in domes. I remember seeing the brochure with it advertised either in 2010 or 2008....Definitely a market for that.

Cub Cadet 123

OldSkull 09-23-2015 12:24 AM

Cub Cadet 123

No your not off topic this thread was about cheap hydrogen production but cheap energy was one of Tesla major goal! We are not talking about cupcake here... Well OK I know we all love cupcake too! :RollEyes2:

It's a serious discussion about energy and genius behind it. I enjoy this kind of discussion where anyone can shim in and add a piece to the puzzle, Best of all we can learn a thing or two in the process sometimes. :ThumbsUp:

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Originally Posted by Alvy (Post 346377)
I'm in the material handling biz, wal mart distribution centers already using hydrogen fuel cells in their lift trucks in Canada. The local DC to me says they will be converted next year and have their own on site hydrogen manufacturing plant to refuel. Time will tell

The technology is improving fast Alvy but many progress need to be done before a consumer product became enough secure for the average Joe to deal with. Add an "Hydrogen for dummies" book in the pack

Sam Mac 09-23-2015 07:43 AM

BMW is also doing hydrogen powered cars.

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ydrogen_7.html

olds45512 09-23-2015 09:39 AM

I watched a special on discovery once that was about aa pig farm that stored the methane from the pig poop and used it to run all there equipment, kind off a genius idea.

Terry C 09-23-2015 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by olds45512 (Post 346412)
I watched a special on discovery once that was about aa pig farm that stored the methane from the pig poop and used it to run all there equipment, kind off a genius idea.

I think that idea stinks

olds45512 09-23-2015 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry C (Post 346414)
I think that idea stinks

:biggrin2: yea I'm sure it does but if you could run all the equipment and heat all the building on the farm for free it would be worth it, just think of the thousands of dollars they save not buying diesel and propane.

OldSkull 09-23-2015 12:45 PM

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects...el/biofue1.jpg

A link to some fun Bio fuel science project, some stink more then others so try to avoid getting a brain fart reading to much of that stuff.

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects...el/biofue1.jpg

I wish I can post some hydrogen science project I got but one of my BF I nickname "Dr Frankenstein" almost blow up his garage once so it's to hazardous to be share. Better try Bio stuff and let the Hydrogen to the beans counter engineers


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