2002 Cub Cadet 7264 tractor
 

I have a 2002 7264 Cub Cadet that the PTO clutch went out on. The part 618.3189 had been discontinued from Cub Cadet and I have had no luck locating a used one anywhere. Any suggestions? I read where someone welded the parts together and it was just a direct drive pto. Would that work? Any help would be appreciated. Where can you find used parts? My searches have came up empty.

I would call Cub my guess is that they had some vendor make that for them. Next in line would be to try guys that part out tractors, Patton Acres or EBay. You may have to buy a complete used transmission. Maybe what you have can be rebuilt. How about some pics of it.

This is from another site, it has a couple links for service manual downloads.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/c...-engaging.html

I'd give Messicks a call, it shows as discontinued but they may be able to help
http://www.messicks.com/part/618-3189/clutch-asm-pto

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I have called Cub they are sorry for my inconvenience. No luck with any others you listed having one in stock. Haven't thought about looking for a whole transmission. Might be my next step. I'm trying to get the pics of my pto on here.[IMG]http://onlycubcadets.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=82839&stc=1&d=14895106 89

I was going to recommend that you get on MTF but I see that you already posted on MTF.

It looks like this thing is electrically controlled. Do you know if the problem is electrical or is it mechanical? Just thinking if it has a bad coil maybe it can be rewound. I've never seen a clutch like this. Most Sub Compact's have a hydraulically operated wet clutch. I'd love to see what's inside that makes it work. :bigthink:

2002 Cub Cadet 7264 tractor
 

Yes I have check on other sites as well. This is a electrical clutch. The insides were all ground up when it was pulled off. Not for sure what is was supposed to look like on the inside. Here are some pics from the repair manual of the clutch inside the transmission.http://onlycubcadets.net/forum/attac...1&d=1489517950http://onlycubcadets.net/forum/attac...1&d=1489517963

OK, I have researched this one to death. I called Messicks and was able to find out that the clutch was made by Warner Electric for MTD part # is 1427-4 unfortunately it has been discontinued. Cub sold the remaining inventory to a place called parts depot, I called them and they don't have any more. I called Warner and they don't have any and are not going to make any. At this point I think you are screwed unless we can come up with a way to rebuild what you have. Maybe you can find a used transmission or put it back together and get rid of it. Wish I had better news. PM me with your name and phone # if you want me to call.

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Wow Sam,

You are impressive! That was going above and beyond and I'm going to thank you. That was very nice of you to do the extensive research for our forum member. Unfortunately it looks as though he may be SOL on the clutch.
Great work Sam!

Mike

Oh wow thanks for checking into this so much for me. You have way more connections than I would have ever had. Yeah it's not looking good on finding a used clutch. Might check into a salvage transmission that might have one in it. Thanks again.

Last bit of bad news. I had hoped that Yanmar, Mitsubishi, or Kioti made this tractor but it was made by MTD. I also called Patton to see if he had a tranny no good. He did tell me that these had a reputation for clutch failure and lots of other problems. Note to self, never buy a Cub Sub Compact.

What do you use this for? Can you live without a PTO?

J-Mech and I talked about it and his thoughts were if the coil is the problem maybe an electric motor shop could rewind it. If the clutch disks are worn out maybe a transmission shop could get them relined. :bigthink:

Used tractor parts dealers. Hope you get lucky.

https://www.google.com/#q=used+tractor+parts+dealers&*

Well all I can add is past experience that is of no help now.
When the door closes to older model parts from OEM makers, there is a period time when a person is chit out of luck.

then enterprising aftermarket suppliers begin to fill the need if there is enough need and profit of those parts that are NLA from original manufacturer.

I seem to see offshore enterprises stepping up to the plate more and more than in the past 30-40 years.
If this clutch is known to be troublesome it would seem that someone would be stepping up to the plate to supply parts.
As others have said a disassembly of it may be helpful as to what might be done to repair it.
Today we can do/make most anything if the cost is not prohibitive.
Warner or others will make a clutch if the run of parts is big enough to be profitable.

George in this case the 7264 was a low volume machine. My guess is it's not worth it for someone to tool up to make replacement parts.

This was a very poor quality tractor series ask me how I know! I have one that hauls firewood and moves the heavy snow...that's it. I am going to send it to auction soon.

Does the PTO work? If so, this guy may want it..... :biggrin2:

Guys on here always seem to think they are worth more in parts than whole, LOL!

Unfortunately no, it does not work.

Some history on my 7264. My sister bought this pos...I was working for John Deere at the time and could have purchased a new CUT for a super sweet price. All she had to do was pick it up. I warned her that this series were poorly designed and prone to premature wear throughout. Did she listen....Nope! Years later she passes and I buy everything from her estate including this turd. I am considering a JD CUT. I will show you pics with what I decide to buy.:beerchug:

Does anyone rebuild these type of clutches? I'll be honest, never laid eyes on anything like it. Surely there is someone who could repair this thing.

This is what it looks like and a link to Messicks, check out the price of this this NLA thing.
http://www.messicks.com/part/618-3189/clutch-asm-pto

So, what is the problem anyway--mechanical or electrical? Does this thing have a coil in it like an ordinary lawn mower clutch? Is the insulating material deteriorated causing it to short out? If the coil is gone, wonder if someone who can rewind coils could fix this--they do ignition coils for 100 year old tractor magnetos. I'm certainly no electrician, but could an external coil be used?

If it is mechanical, surely that can be overcome.

SILLY QUESTION--there is power going to this thing (and enough of it), RIGHT?

Did the owner try Marlin at IHCCW? He comes across some oddball stuff occasionaly. Also, can a Cub Cadet dealer do a dealer search? There is a rather large Cadet dealer in Kinston NC--Mills International I think. Maybe call them and see if they have one, or a solution.

Will Warner supply the info/prints on the clutch? Is there another that is almost identical and only 1 thing makes it unique to this application? We run Haas milling centers at work and I have run in to a couple "generic" parts that Haas had tweaked so the item would be proprietary to them.

If anyone has 20 minutes to spare, this appears to be a pretty good video on electric clutches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfeQalzWmhQ

a little toasty, but maybe it has a clutch:biggrin2:

http://www.agdealer.com/list/view_im...Tractor-817487

2002 Cub Cadet 7264 tractor
 

Thanks for all the concerns. I would really like to get this tractor back up and running. It is the perfect size for my small acreage. I was wanting to get a tiller for the back of it is way we started checking into getting the PTO running. I have new photos of clutch. Seems to be 4 main parts. If you have connections with Warner Electric maybe they still have the parts I need to just rebuild this one or can tell me what the part numbers are. I need the electric part with the plug in it and the bearing and maybe faceplate that connects with electric part. Still now sure how this thing works. I guess this thing shorted out. Thanks for any help.http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584377http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584390http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584402http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584414http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584431http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584448http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/a...1&d=1489584461 Hope these pics come out ok.

I suggest that you call Warner and see what you can do. As I mentioned I called them yesterday but maybe you as the owner can get them to help you. They crossed the Cub part number to a Warner # 1427-4

http://www.warnerelectric.com/products/clutch-products
1-800-825-6544

Other than that try an electric motor shop to see if they will rewind that coil. Bearings should be available from a bearing shop or on line.

If the only need for the rear PTO is to run a tiller you may be better off with something like this.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2251_200622251

Honestly I would put it back together and trade it in for a John Deere or a Kubota. The Cub SCUT's just are not worth the aggravation. Sorry but it is what it is.

If Warner won't help you out, I think you could find someone to rewind the coil for you.

You don't have it fully disassembled in your pics, but it looks to me like the thrust bearing failed and the heavy backing plate wore into the coil.
You should be able to find clutch frictions and steels through a good transmission shop... If you can't find someone to work with you, I can put you in contact with a guy who will help. The backing plate may be able to be made, but it may not even be bad. Depends how that thrust bearing wore into it. I'd like to see some better pics of the backing plate and clutch disassembled. Looks like maybe it had too much pre-load applied to that small thrust bearing, or they had a lube issue going to it. :bigthink: I've literally been into hundreds of tractor and automatic transmissions.... I'd take a crack at fixing that thing. You did the hard part honestly... and that was disassembling it to get to it!

I'd say that there was such an issue with these things that MTD got tired of working on them. It wasn't that there wasn't money in selling a clutch, it was just they literally didn't want to deal with their mistake.... all they had to do was say, "Oh, we're sorry, they no longer make that part." and boom. No more repairs on that machine. "Here, we'll trade it in for you on a brand new piece of sh!t!!"

Nice job on all the work Sam! :beerchug:

After everything I said..... I agree that this is probably what you need to do. :IH Trusted Hand:

Sent information to Warner. Waiting for reply on if they can help me with replacement parts.

You may need to ask for tech service at Warner. I got a secretary yesterday and she was not very helpful. Keep us posted on how you make out.

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Jonathon,

I believe you hit the nail on head with no longer available. Just buy a new one and your problems are over.


Mike

2002 Cub Cadet 7264 tractor update
 

Update on my pto problem. Thanks to Sam Mac I contracted Warner Electric and the whole pto clutch was discontinued several years ago and they scraped all the leftover parts. However they are going to be able to mill out the old coil housing and put me a new coil in. Warner also sent me the drawing with the bearing numbers and Jay at Waterman Farm Machinery said he can get me the bearing. So I shipped my old coil yesterday to Warner so hopefully I will get it back in a couple of weeks ready to be put all back together. Hopefully it will last but I might just be rebuilding the problem pto clutch again. Thanks again for all the help. I will update again later.

Glad to hear progress is being made! I like your attitude as well.:beerchug:
The founder of the company I work for used to preach to me quite often
"Never take no for an answer. Take no, no, no." The only trick to using that philosophy is being able to come up with alternate solutions.

In my opinion, if you don't identify what is making the whole set up fail, then once you fix it, I'd still suggest trading it off. It is a known issue and apparently there aren't many tractors out there that weren't affected. If you can identify the cause of the failure and fix it, then it would be worth doing. Right now, all I think you are doing is throwing good money after bad if you intend to keep the machine. FWIW, from what I saw it looks like either a lack of lubrication to the thrust bearing, poor size/poor matierial thrust bearing, or too much pre-load applied. Could even be that there wasn't enough pre load applied and the bearing was always slamming into itself and destroyed parts. I don't have the parts to look at it....... but I am just going to state again that unless you know the reason of the failure.... trade it off once you fix it.

Your tractor, your money, and your time...

Glad to have been able to help. I have to agree with J-Mech on this one. Assuming that you are successful in getting to function I would trade it in on something that is more reliable. Looking at it from the pics you posted it looks like a poor design.

2002 Cub Cadet 7264 tractor
 

I asked the guy from Warner Electric if he knew why these seem to have failed. Here is his answer:

Ronnie, I don’t know the history on this application, but I do remember hearing that if the oil level / or grade was incorrect the transmission could over heat and that would affect the coil life as well as bearing life.

Sounds like something Cub should have fixed.