CCC 582- 2 lift springs?
 

Can anyone explain to me the difference between a Manual Lift Helper Spring
and a Implement Handle Helper Spring? Should I have both with a QA-42A mounted on the 582?

http://www.partstree.com/parts/cub-c...helper-spring/

https://www.partstree.com/parts/cub-...helper-spring/

I don't know Roland. I'm thinking the short spring attaches to the lift handle itself, but the only lift assist springs I've ever dealt with were on my JD 214. All my Cub Cadets until the 582 have been hydros. I was won over to Cub Cadets while I had the JD 214 because the JD attachment prices got crazy & I had 1974 JD 140H3 before the 214 so shaft drive & prices of the IHs were a big plus especially after smoking belts on the 214.

I believe the first helper spring assist is for the IH built 45" snowthblower unit. The second item you listed is for the manual lift lever. You do not need the first item. I do, however, recommend the implement spring assist for the QA42-A snowthrower.

IIRC you also need the curved upper mounting brackets to mount a QA42-A to an 82 series. Others here know the part numbers and Xtreme Motorworks sells them.

http://www.xtrememotorworks.com/Part...Cub-Cadet.html

Also you will need the correct pulley on the snowthrower to accomodate the 5/8 pulley on the PTO clutch.

Thank you Delta Cub. Both springs are listed under the tractor in Parts Tree. If I'm looking at the correct spring on the 450, they have different part numbers. Implement spring assist is definitely on the shopping list.

450 spring is 1st below.

Cub Cadet 932-0262 (replaces 732-0262)

Spring, Extension


Cub Cadet 90543-C1

SPRING, LIFT

You don't need either spring with the QA42-A. Are you planning on mounting a different snowblower (450) on the 582?:bigthink:

Yes, I want to mount the QA-42A on the 582. I thought I would need the
https://www.partstree.com/parts/cub-...helper-spring/

I purchased the 582 w/ creeper with the intent of mounting the QA-42A & a #2 tiller on it. I wasn't aware I couldn't mount the tiller with an aluminum rear. Disappointed the PO sold it to me knowing what I wanted it for.

I deal with Arron. Thanks Xtreme Motorworks

You don't technically "need" it...but I would highly recommend it. That QA42-A is heavy. Also, if you decide to mount the rear tiller on the 582, it will come very handy. :beerchug:

10-4 on the spring, it's on my list.

I have researched mounting the #2 tiller on the aluminum rear and have run into a brick wall. Seems it can't be done unless I swap the aluminum rear for a cast iron rear. I'll probably look for a pull behind tiller that I can use with the factory hitch plate, or continue to use the 1450 & get the longer Sleeve Hitch Main Bracket Extended 3" from Extreme Motor Works.

Here is video of member "Jeff in PA" using his 125 with an older style QA42 to throw snow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfWy8jbj_GY

Thanks, I think Jeff has made me some parts in the past.

You can mount a #2 tiller on the aluminum rear end. User J-Mech did it with one of his tractors. He’s also recently asked if anyone would be interested in him making the mounting plates to sell. Contact him and he can get you setup with what you need.

Again, you are a Knight in shining armor. I am in your debt sir_lancealot!

How come you don't want to till with the 1450? It seems that would be the easier route to take.

Wish you were closer. I'd love to have a 582, especially one with a creeper gear.

Tilling with a hydro sucks. Can't maintain a constant speed. Gear drive is much better.

I've heard that, but I managed with my 782 this spring. I did have a little bit of a learning curve I'll admit.

Just seems to me that the 1450, with the hydraulic lift, in addition to being bolt up & go for the tiller, would be a lot easier.

That said if I could get my hands on a 582 like that I'd be all over it. Never ran a gear drive Cub until I picked up my 86 a few years back.

X2 for sure!!!

Tilling & holding a steady ground speed with the 1450 sucks. I have rebuilt the trunion and my lower ground speeds still lack a lot, but then the hydro isn't cruise control. I will miss the hydraulic lift, but I have found an article where hydraulics were fitted to a 582, using the driveshaft to power the hydraulic pump. Next project maybe? I have added a 3rd hydraulic circuit to the 1450 twin stick to work the rear blade independently of the hydraulic angle front blade. 1450 is great mowing and plowing snow, which will be her duties starting this winter. The 582 will have a QA-42A & the number 2 tiller, once I purchase the adapter plate for the aluminum rear. Only issue I see with the 582 is being able to operate the manual lift. I intend to get the lift helper spring, but not sure that will be enough. I see that a lift spring assist was available for the 450 snow thrower. May look into adapting that to the QA-42A. I also saw that a lift assist spring was on the 3 point for the 582. I ain't no spring chicken anymore & the wife stopped buying Wheaties years ago.

I can't find the spring on the 582 lift handle in the parts diagrams? I'd like to find out if there's a heavier spring I could use. I thought it was the other spring that's shown. It's listed under the 582 as: manual lift helper spring.

Pretty sure that no spring like in the first pic was ever used. I'd say that is a PO mod.

I strongly suggest you just get a wide frame spring assist and install it. If that isn't enough, get a Brinly spring assist and install it also. You can have both the IH spring assist, and the Brinly both installed at the same time. I don't think you are going to have near the trouble lifting the blower that you think you will..... it's the tiller that is going to be the issue. It's far heavier. I do not know what the pic/parts are that are listed as the "manual lift helper springs" in the parts book. I have never seen those, and there is no indication as to how they are used. The only spring assist offered for the IH built 582 is the wide frame spring assist.

Yeah, I will get the wide frame spring assist, but I thought the Brinley was only for narrow frames? I have seen NFs with the Cub Cadet on the right & the Brinley on the left. I also have seen a front mount assist spring for the 450 snow throwers.:bigthink:

I make an extended sleeve hitch adapter that clears the tiller mount.

Looks like you are correct, here is a link to parts that make up the kit.

http://www.cubcadet.com/webapp/wcs/s...0-A/0031500001

Good job you two!

Wonder why they listed the springs as an option in the standard parts list for the 582 (and similar) tractors? :Unknown: That is clearly an attachment part.

Thanks Jeff, I'll keep that in mind.

darkminion_17- Thank you, I thought I was using my mind. Now to figure out if these can be used with the tiller.