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gscott 12-30-2017 06:33 PM

New Clutch Disk Very Tight
 
I've installed a new clutch assembly to my 73.
Everything is new, plates, springs (teaser/main), driveshaft, disk etc.
My question is this:
The disk is sandwiched between the 2 pressure plates and will hardly move.
Tapping it moderately with rubber mallet allowed me to line up the drive plate holes.
However, even with pedal fully depressed it does NOT release the clutch disk enough to roll the tractor freely.
Could the new driveshaft spiral pin holes for the plates be drilled too close together for proper function or ...
Do new clutch disks need to be run a little to break in?
Tractor is being rebuilt from ground up so have not run it.
:bash2:

darkminion_17 12-30-2017 06:41 PM

Need a pic, will it will roll if you put it in neutral with the clutch pedal up?

Dart1917 12-30-2017 06:45 PM

Did you adjust the brake rod for the correct pedal free play?

ironman 12-30-2017 06:50 PM

You would have the internal brake, do you have the brake rod already installed? If you do perhaps the brake is adjusted to the point that it is limiting the clutch release arm movement. You might try disconnecting the brake rod, then try to adjust your clutch.

Edit: Dart1917 beat me to it.

gscott 12-30-2017 07:21 PM

Pic of clutch
 
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Gentlemen,

Brake rod disconnected.

Rolling the tractor in neutral causes the engine to turn over...with or without the clutch depressed.

I see no free play in the rear clutch plate (with the groove (not spiral pin hole) when the clutch in depressed.

Here is a pic of the set up.

Thanks for any help.

gscott 12-30-2017 07:28 PM

Additional info
 
When I assembled the clutch pressure plates and drove the spiral pins in, it was already tight enough that the disk would not move.

The rear spiral pin was already bottomed out in the groove when assembled with the front pressure plate and disk in place....

darkminion_17 12-30-2017 07:34 PM

They look like custom pulling parts to me.
Did you get everything as a kit?
3,2,1, install and go?

Merk 12-30-2017 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gscott (Post 442782)
Gentlemen,

the clutch depressed.

I see no free play in the rear clutch plate (with the groove (not spiral pin hole) when the clutch in depressed.

Thanks for any help.

Rear clutch plate needs be have free play. Sounds like the hole in the drive shaft is off centered or the slot are too narrow or pin is mushroom some.

DeltaCub 12-30-2017 07:50 PM

Maybe it is me...but the rear pressure plate maybe on the wrong side of the disc. Rear pressure plate should be slotted. It looks like it just has a hole.:bigthink:

darkminion_17 12-30-2017 07:53 PM

It does look like it has a hole.

gscott 12-30-2017 08:25 PM

Much thanks
 
Got it figured guys.

darkminion_17 drew my attention to using aftermarket parts.

Pulled the engine off and clutch assembly out.

Mic'ed the aftermarket plates with my original plates....after market plates MUCH thicker, took up the free play area.

I was trying to beef things up a bit...am installing a K341 on the 73. Its a workhorse around here.

Had already resurfaced the original plates, so just used those. Everything A-OK now.

Thanks again guys.

mickb72 12-31-2017 08:06 AM

Hello, if those are Zack Kerbers, i know his pulling plates are thicker and use different hole locations for the driveshaft. I don't know if he has stock plates. Mike

gscott 12-31-2017 08:45 AM

You are right...
 
mickb72 you are correct those are Zack Kerbers.

I didn't know they were that much thicker.

I see he has drive shafts as well, however trying to find a machine shop around here to drill the hole for input shaft is like pulling teeth.

Thanks for all the info guys.

Jeff in Pa 12-31-2017 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gscott (Post 442871)
mickb72 you are correct those are Zack Kerbers.

I didn't know they were that much thicker.

I see he has drive shafts as well, however trying to find a machine shop around here to drill the hole for input shaft is like pulling teeth.

Thanks for all the info guys.

I make driveshafts plus other parts. http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=20875

Tell me the locations you want the holes and I'll make it to your specs. $30 plus shipping.

Jeff

twoton 12-31-2017 08:22 PM

If your plates are too FAT and you aint got no machine chop available I bet Jeff would skinny em up for ya to if you asked??:bigthink:

Jeff in Pa 01-01-2018 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by twoton (Post 442984)
If your plates are too FAT and you aint got no machine chop available I bet Jeff would skinny em up for ya to if you asked??:bigthink:

I can thin your plates too. Your choice on either option

J-Mech 01-01-2018 02:36 PM

I think that clutch was a bit overkill for the application..... but whatever.

I wouldn't turn the disk down, as you spent the money on a heavier set up....why kill it? I would suggest getting the proper shaft made.

Merk 01-01-2018 03:49 PM

New driveshaft?
Who drilled the holes.
Are you using a Cub Cadet throw out bearing or an aftermarket throw out bearing?
It sounds like the holes in the drive shaft are in the right location. I've used the thicker clutch plates and didn't have any problems. You should have enough adjustment using thicker plates.

Quote:

by J-Mech
I think that clutch was a bit overkill for the application..... but whatever.
I'm using stock clutch plates with a blue spring and a Kevlar clutch disc on my 100. I have no slippage issues with this set up. Engine is making around 14 horse power and pulls a 10 inch plow at plow days.

twoton 01-01-2018 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gscott (Post 442786)
When I assembled the clutch pressure plates and drove the spiral pins in, it was already tight enough that the disk would not move.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merk (Post 443061)
New driveshaft?
Who drilled the holes........

Looks like one of Zach's 6 pin drivers...:bigthink:

Me thinks that you may have ordered the wrong driveshaft there gscott.

Zach has two versions, narrow hole and wide hole...

Merk 01-01-2018 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoton (Post 443067)
Looks like one of Zach's 6 pin drivers...:bigthink:

Me thinks that you may have ordered the wrong driveshaft there gscott.

Zach has two versions, narrow hole and wide hole...

I never used on of Zach's 6 pin drivers. Are they the same measurements in terms of thickness????

Quote:

by Merk
I'm using stock clutch plates with a blue spring and a Kevlar clutch disc on my 100. I have no slippage issues with this set up. Engine is making around 14 horse power and pulls a 10 inch plow at plow days.
Today 02:36 PM
Yes I am aware he has a Zach 6 pin driver.
I just stated what I use.......no need for overkill.

twoton 01-01-2018 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Merk (Post 443072)
I never used on of Zach's 6 pin drivers. Are they the same measurements in terms of thickness????......

I never used a cub solid driver. How thick are they????

mickb72 01-02-2018 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merk (Post 443072)
I never used on of Zach's 6 pin drivers. Are they the same measurements in terms of thickness????



Yes I am aware he has a Zach 6 pin driver.
I just stated what I use.......no need for overkill.

I think they are same measurements as stock. I used a stock driver when i bought his pulling plates. He told me on the phone where the holes in the driveshaft should be. Mike


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