CCC built 82 series Kohler swap
 

Planning on finding a hydro lift CCC built or IH built 82 series roller and swapping a 14 horse into it from a 1450. Engine's missing a few parts, but I can find them pretty easy. How hard would it be to swap it in? I already know I would need the cradle, but would a 1650 engine cradle work? Also planning on putting in power steering.

Heh, imagine a 1711 or something along those lines with a 1450 engine in it!

Everything should bolt right in with the mounts from a 1650, you are basically making a 1211 or 1282 but with a 14hp. I have a parts 1282 sitting out back with the engine cradle still in it if you're interested, the 1282 came from the factory with the cradle mod already done. The 1211 is the same as a 1711 but with a 12hp magnum, here's my 1211 playing tow truck.

Pulley on the PTO will be the wrong size.

Not sure what all that will affect.

Pretty sure the PTO on a KT/Mag will bolt right on a K.

The engine I'm putting on has the PTO on it. It's missing most of the parts, (Muffler elbow, coil, carb, etc.) But I guess I'll see if it works when I get there.

Man, people here in PA are insane! Guy sends me a personal message through facebook offering me a 1711 with no engine and he wants 525$ for it! Is this guy insane??? He claims it has a new dash (which apparently warrants the price?) but looking at it it looks terrible. It's not a stock dash, it's like a 1050 dash with the hole for the hydro handle drilled into it. Still, 525$??

I have a 1282 you can come pick up for $100 wtih no engine but it's already got the mounting for a single cylinder.

I think so too, but I've never done it. But if he's got a roller, he probably doesn't have a Mag/KT/spread frame K series PTO to go with it.

You've got a quietline PTO on it. The 82 series PTO is a bigger pulley (same diameter, but 5/8" instead of 1/2"). Not a huge deal, but the spread frame mule drive is going to have 5/8" pulleys and so would an 82 series implement (snowthrower, deck, tiller etc). You can swap the pulleys around to 1/2" (or just run a 1/2" belt on it...it'd probably work ok-ish).

Easier to change 1 PTO than 3 other pulleys.
No, you can't run a 1/2" belt in a 5/8" pulley. It will most definitely slip. You'd have better luck with a 5/8" belt in the 1/2" PTO.

Yup agreed. The proper thing to do is a 5/8" PTO pulley and be done with it.

So I'm guessing you're not interested?

Sorry, I hadn't seen your reply about it.

I might buy it. I've been asking around for a while trying to find a tractor, it'll be perfect, easy swap. If I do buy it it'll get a hydraulic lift and a few other misc. things. Do you have any pics of it?

My plan for a CV driveshaft swap into the future roller: Take a driveshaft from a 318 onan and buy two engine side yokes, make the bolt holes fit and use it to eliminate the flex coupling by bolting it straight up to the stock driveshaft couplings. This, I hope, will also eliminate the problem of the flex couplings getting warped, causing vibrations, like on my 1250. I might have to modify the yoke ends to bolt up, and shorten the driveshaft, but it'll be so nice.

Hopefully it'll go as planned.

Seems like a lot of work for something that really isn’t a problem with good components. But you do you.

I'm mainly doing it to allow for more engine movement and to allow for more flexibility if I want to swap in something bigger. Also it'll be way easier pulling the engine of transmission, and I won't have to worry about roll pins breaking or the whole driveshaft destroying the hydro lift..

Your NOT doing it yet.... you're maybe, might, hopefully planning on doing it... In my day that's called daydreaming

It's in the works. How am I supposed to work on something I don't even have yet?

Edit: Looking back, you guys mentioned that the Pto is different. If it's a 1282 would the whole PTO or just the pulley be different? If it's just the pulley, could you swap them? I don't see why not.

Here's a pic of the 1282. I have the tunnel cover for it and the plate the seat bolts to, I don't have side panels.

That'll be fine, I can't use them anyway with the exhaust I have for the 14 hp.

Does it have a grille or headlight panel?

I have a grille but no headlight panel.

IH put a 20hp engine in there with rag joints. It’ll be fine if you use good parts. Especially with a 12hp up there

It’s probably just the pulley. I don’t know. Haven’t done one.

Seems like the whole PTO is different. They do look like a bolt-up connection which will be nice.

That's fine by me, the headlight panel is for sure way easier to find than the grille. Do you have both parts of the grille?

Not sure what you mean. There's a lower grille which I have and the upper grille which is the headlight panel which I do not have.

I thought there was a mesh part and the bar part of the grille? All the part diagrams list the grille as two separate parts not counting the headlight panel.
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I have never seen a tractor with that mesh part so I don't have it.

Fine by me.

Edit: Me, being an idiot just realized that to do the hydro lift swap I'll need to swap the dash, add that to the list of parts...

That mesh part was removed on later tractors and was only on very early 82 series tractors. It ended up getting plugged a lot and causing overheating so ih came out with a grille improvement package that replaced the insert and screen with a different insert that had additional black bars in it.

Oh, that makes sense. Well I'll be fine anyways.

You don't need to switch the dash. The metal part already has the hole for the lever so all you need to do is cut the hole in the plastic part which is easy to do it you trace the hole off the metal part.

Well that's a bit easier than trying to find a dash, another question:
A cast iron rear end will bolt in and work with the 82 series hydraulic lift, right? Don't the ports have the same location and size?

Kid, you can't buy just an end yoke for a 318 driveshaft. The shaft is some oddball thing Deere has made. Believe me, I've been all through this. Plus, the engine yoke won't hook up to the hydro. Second off all, the Deere shaft is a u-joint shaft and not a CV shaft, and third, it has no telescope built into it. In reality, you would have to build up a u-joint shaft, then an engine adapter, then a trans adapter and you would end up with a $400 shaft in a $500 tractor. You have no idea what you are getting into trying that.


That's exactly the point Randy was making. You're daydreaming..... aren't you in school? Focus on your schooling and think about tractors later.


If you found the correct PTO (as in both the same brand) I suppose you could just swap the pulley, but why? Just swap the whole thing. It's not fussy.


On the side panel/exhaust issue, if the engine came from a 1450 it would have front discharge exhaust, so you could run the side panels.

Yes, you can swap rears, but you better focus on getting a tractor first. You are still daydreaming.

If your referring to screen #5, on the early 82 series back in the day, there was a TSB to remove it as it built up with chaff and created an overheating problem.
I have one here somewhere and no, it ain't for sale.
IIRR it was attached to the grill with rivets, and they provided a new grill made without it, but it has been a couple of years ago.