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fxrglide91 01-31-2021 09:52 AM

1983 Kohler KT17 24193
 
I am trying to find the front crank seal. I have found two part numbers I think:52 032 07 and 52 032 10. Can anyone enlighten me as to the correct one. I got these numbers off of another site, but the diagram was a little confusing as to the correct seal. Some one mentioned about diagrams on this site, but I can,t find them. Thanks.

ol'George 01-31-2021 10:04 AM

At the top of this page you will see "cubcadet parts lookup"
go there and you will get the correct numbers.
Yes there are two flywheel seals.
The KT1's series 1, used a smaller seal dia. for the crankshaft than did the later
Series II and magnums.
The pto end uses the same seal early or late.

fxrglide91 01-31-2021 10:23 AM

Kt17
 
I tried that function. Could not find the KT17 series diagram. Could be my lack of Computer skills.lol

fxrglide91 01-31-2021 10:29 AM

Just tried the function again. Not seeing it. Any help would be appreciated.

ironman 01-31-2021 10:43 AM

Here is a link to Series 1 parts manual. Scroll down to KT17-KT-19-KT21.
Page 16 of that manual looks to be the 52-032-10 using the spec number you posted.
https://www.kohler-engine-parts.opee...wnload-p-12023

R Bedell 01-31-2021 10:52 AM

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You are correct. It is confusing. From the old Paper Manual, it "appears" that there was a change in the seal depending on the Chassis Serial Number of the tractor.

I will still keep looking for a better answer.

R Bedell 01-31-2021 11:13 AM

Further research indicates the front Oil Seal is: KH-52-032-10-S

fxrglide91 01-31-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ironman (Post 504949)
Here is a link to Series 1 parts manual. Scroll down to KT17-KT-19-KT21.
Page 16 of that manual looks to be the 52-032-10 using the spec number you posted.
https://www.kohler-engine-parts.opee...wnload-p-12023

Thats the manual I found.

fxrglide91 01-31-2021 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by R Bedell (Post 504950)
You are correct. It is confusing. From the old Paper Manual, it "appears" that there was a change in the seal depending on the Chassis Serial Number of the tractor.

I will still keep looking for a better answer.

I will check my Chassis # in a few minutes

fxrglide91 01-31-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fxrglide91 (Post 504955)
I will check my Chassis # in a few minutes

My Chassis Model # has nine numbers, not six.

ironman 01-31-2021 12:15 PM

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Why are you worried about chassis numbers??

ol'George 01-31-2021 02:06 PM

Who is on first?:biggrin2:
The front seal is really the back seal,-- meaning toward the rear of the tractor
Be careful.

The " rear" seal is the PTO/crankcase cover seal.-- toward the front of the tractor.
Just to keep everyone on the same page.
Some parts reference's continually mix them up.
If one is replacing both seals there is no problem.

ironman 01-31-2021 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 504963)
Who is on first?:biggrin2:
The front seal is really the back seal,-- meaning toward the rear of the tractor
Be careful.

Then again, to thicken the plot, if it were a Case tractor the front seal would be on the front,
but if it were a Wheel Horse the front seal would be on the side. :bash2::HeadScratch::Duh:

R Bedell 01-31-2021 03:36 PM

I went by what.....Kohler.....calls it. After all, they should know.

ol'George 01-31-2021 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ironman (Post 504964)
Then again, to thicken the plot, if it were a Case tractor the front seal would be on the front,
but if it were a Wheel Horse the front seal would be on the side. :bash2::HeadScratch::Duh:

And if it was a KT 17 vertical engine, the flywheel seal would be the top seal.
Thus the designation flywheel end or PTO end.:bigthink:

ironman 01-31-2021 05:45 PM

Don't matter how you designate it because one things for sure, that is....
The one that needs replaced is always the one that takes the most work to get to. :crap:

fxrglide91 02-01-2021 05:13 PM

Well I ordered seal 52 032 10 S. We'll see if it fits. Thanks for all the help.

CubDieselFan 02-03-2021 10:30 PM

Post a picture of the tag on your tractor frame.

fxrglide91 02-10-2021 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 504963)
Who is on first?:biggrin2:
The front seal is really the back seal,-- meaning toward the rear of the tractor
Be careful.

The " rear" seal is the PTO/crankcase cover seal.-- toward the front of the tractor.
Just to keep everyone on the same page.
Some parts reference's continually mix them up.
If one is replacing both seals there is no problem.

Yep you are correct. I ordered the front seal, by diagram, (52 032 10 s) which is actually the rear seal. So now I ordered the rear seal , by diagram, (X-583-5) to put on the front of the motor PTO side. Who would have guessed. Thanks

ol'George 02-10-2021 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fxrglide91 (Post 505293)
Yep you are correct. I ordered the front seal, by diagram, (52 032 10 s) which is actually the rear seal. So now I ordered the rear seal , by diagram, (X-583-5) to put on the front of the motor PTO side. Who would have guessed. Thanks

Who would of guessed? ME!
The front of that engine is the flywheel end, the rear is the pto end. No matter if it is on top,in a vertical application, sideways or longitudinal mounted,--- or cub decided to drive off the flywheel end.
No harm done, if it was time to replace one, it is time to replace the other, and you already have one now.
Now if you happened to removed the crankcase cover while changing the PTO seal and it had a paper gasket between it and the block, replace it with a paper gasket. If it had RTV as sealant use RTV to reseal it. Make sure you put the seal in deep enough so the centering tabs on the PTO clutch have a place to fit into. but not too deep. Use RTV sparingly if you use it. More is worse not better,---- ALWAYS!!
As it gets into oil passages and clogs them causing catatastropic engine failure. :bigeyes:
FWIW: Kohler wrote the service manual/parts lists for their engine, no matter who purchased it and installed it in various ways.

fxrglide91 02-12-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 505294)
Who would of guessed? ME!
The front of that engine is the flywheel end, the rear is the pto end. No matter if it is on top,in a vertical application, sideways or longitudinal mounted,--- or cub decided to drive off the flywheel end.
No harm done, if it was time to replace one, it is time to replace the other, and you already have one now.
Now if you happened to removed the crankcase cover while changing the PTO seal and it had a paper gasket between it and the block, replace it with a paper gasket. If it had RTV as sealant use RTV to reseal it. Make sure you put the seal in deep enough so the centering tabs on the PTO clutch have a place to fit into. but not too deep. Use RTV sparingly if you use it. More is worse not better,---- ALWAYS!!
As it gets into oil passages and clogs them causing catatastropic engine failure. :bigeyes:
FWIW: Kohler wrote the service manual/parts lists for their engine, no matter who purchased it and installed it in various ways.

You sure did have it right. Waiting on the rear seal which is on the front PTO side. lol :bigeyes:Thanks for all the help


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