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dodge trucker 06-01-2019 08:58 PM

PTO questions
 
I know that there's a difference between a narrow frame clutch and one for a wide frame but what is the difference and can they be interchanged?

mortten 06-02-2019 11:31 AM

The difference basically is the narrow frame has one spring and the wide frame had 2 springs and a brake. The newer style came at serial number 482,000.

dodge trucker 06-02-2019 03:16 PM

is the basket/pulley the same between the 2 versions?

sawdustdad 06-02-2019 04:30 PM

The basket/pulley is the same.

Not all the wide frames had the brake style PTO. The brake style PTO requires a different center button on the PTO clutch and has a different casting. So it would require some mods to interchange them.

The non-brake PTOs are interchangeable between NF and WF tractors. One spring or two doesn't matter functionally, the double spring just gives you more clutch pressure. The manual even says you can add the second spring to the NF clutches.

You can take a brake style PTO clutch and replace the center button and use it on a non-brake tractor.

You can put a non-brake PTO on a brake equipped tractor by either eliminating the brake pad or by milling three grooves in the PTO casting and changing the center button to accommodate the brake pad engagement.

darkminion_17 06-02-2019 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sawdustdad (Post 483262)
The basket/pulley is the same.

Not all the wide frames had the brake style PTO. The brake style PTO requires a different center button on the PTO clutch and has a different casting. So it would require some mods to interchange them.

This is true but you will have to change the pto button arm.
You can't use a NF pto casting without the teats to work on that also.


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Originally Posted by sawdustdad (Post 483262)
The non-brake PTOs are interchangeable between NF and WF tractors. One spring or two doesn't matter functionally, the double spring just gives you more clutch pressure. The manual even says you can add the second spring to the NF clutches.

This only works with the ones that have the teats, the ones without teats you can only use one spring and it is different also as the tips fit in the grooves cast in the pto.

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Originally Posted by sawdustdad (Post 483262)
You can take a brake style PTO clutch and replace the center button and use it on a non-brake tractor.

I agree on this information.

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Originally Posted by sawdustdad (Post 483262)
You can put a non-brake PTO on a brake equipped tractor by either eliminating the brake pad or by milling three grooves in the PTO casting and changing the center button to accommodate the brake pad engagement.

This still requires the pto engagement arm to to be changed as it is different. The PTO has to have the teats cast into it also.

Pictures for your pleasure.

The first one shows the NF and WF side by side as they came from the IH
There is also great info that Roland put together.:beerchug:

https://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9

Workingstiff 06-03-2019 10:30 PM

This is for a rear pto?

Workingstiff 06-04-2019 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Workingstiff (Post 483323)
This is for a rear pto?

So I'm asking, because I don't know. I have an electric pto on the front. I have no rear pto on my QL and no experience with a rear pto other than a 8N.

IHCubCadet147 06-04-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Workingstiff (Post 483366)
So I'm asking, because I don't know. I have an electric pto on the front. I have no rear pto on my QL and no experience with a rear pto other than a 8N.

It is a mechanical front PTO. All tractors made before the Quietlines had these instead of electric.

Workingstiff 06-08-2019 07:09 PM

Ok, thank you

Twthompson 06-29-2019 11:41 PM

PTO Clutch Parts
 
I need a PTO clutch disk and spring (759-3480). Any advice as to where to get them? I have been buying they on Ebay, but they are a bit spendy? Does anyone have better options? Thanks


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