[Alvy]

I hope this thread doesn't get closed like the rest of these just yet. I have to agree with a lot of what Hand is saying. I feel there are wrongs committed on both sides of the fence here.

It's more than the teenagers here. I don't know Justin but Nick and I have spoken several times. I've told him about his actions and how he gets carried away at times with posting nonsense and blowing up members and letting him know why and how certain people react to him in certain ways. He's starting to realize this and is learning from his mistakes I believe. Does he deserve another chance sometime? Yes. I think we all do

There needs to be some self realization though. I and others have voiced our concerns when Jon has ruffled our feathers and have private messaged him at his request as well about these concerns. Others have PMd myself and other members and haven't wanted to speak up in fear of being retaliated against for one reason or another. There is a reaction that he evokes because of his personality and I'm not afraid to admit that and I hope he can understand that is happening. All he wants to do is get the correct information out there, and I respect that but he needs to realize his way of doing that is harsh a lot of times and people on the other end of that get pissed. The OP is stating this also as it happened recently. Let me make this clear that I don't have a problem with him, and I've told him that, but at the same time I think he wonders why there are people that do have a problem with him. I'm not a member of any ars kissing club and I see the frustration here but yes, the drama can be avoided and not prevoked by simply not posting to something. I get there has to be some policing but it's getting ridiculous at times. And actually I do care about not getting banned but I also don't like to see longer term members leaving or not posting anymore because of this.