Rear End Lube/Oil Question.

[Hand_108]

Doing some repairs to a 1200 and decided I am going to replace the rear end lube/ oil. Would really like to know what to use. Standard 80w like you put in a automotive rear end ok or does Cub Cadet recomend something different.
Thanks
Didnt have much time to do research so I am going to the people that know the best. ALL OF YOU!!!!!

Thanks
John

[fleetlines]

7 quarts of Hytran from Case International. Also do the filter. That is specific as well.

[zippy1]

Originally Posted by fleetlines

7 quarts of Hytran from Case International. Also do the filter. That is specific as well.

It's a 1200 gear drive

[R Bedell]

Fleet:

The 1200 is a Gear Drive and they don't use a filter. I bet you were thinking of a 1250.

[drglinski]

I was going to say he was going to be looking for a long while for a filter on a 1200.

[Maxwelhse]

Originally Posted by zippy1

It's a 1200

Owner's Manual calls out ~7 pints of HyTran for a 1200...

Manual purposely excludes M/T models from all of the filter language.

I buy my HyTran at Rural King. As far as I'm concerned, if it carries the IH HyTran certification, it's good enough. The IH/Case dealer will charge you a fortune for "official" oil.

[fleetlines]

Originally Posted by R Bedell

The 1200 is a Gear Drive and they don't use a filter. I bet you were thinking of a 1250.

Yes. The 1200 is a gear drive and takes less HyTran and no filter. Maybe I should get a 1200 so I can remember that beast is geared from the QL series.

At any rate, it takes HyTran (or possibly HyTran compatable). The way I understand it, hytran was developed by IH and absorbs water. IH still holds the patent so nobody else can make it. HyTran compatable claims may or may not be accurate either. Someone correct me if I'm wrong with that info. - I used a substitute oil that was supposed to work in a particular system (not IH) and it did a number on some O rings and hoses.

[Maxwelhse]

Originally Posted by fleetlines

Yes. The 1200 is a gear drive and takes less HyTran and no filter. Maybe I should get a 1200 so I can remember that beast is geared from the QL series.

At any rate, it takes HyTran (or possibly HyTran compatable). The way I understand it, hytran was developed by IH and absorbs water. IH still holds the patent so nobody else can make it. HyTran compatable claims may or may not be accurate either. Someone correct me if I'm wrong with that info. - I used a substitute oil that was supposed to work in a particular system (not IH) and it did a number on some O rings and hoses.

IH can't hold the patent for HyTran anymore... It's been WAY too long. Now, the name "HyTran" is probably copyrighted. Hopefully Case or Navistar don't just collect a check and issue a "yep, it's HyTran" to anyone that says they want to sell HyTran. I'm sure there is still a certification process in play.

I can assure you, as a previous Navistar employee, that if a fluid did NOT meet their spec and was used without permission, but was advertised as the "real deal", the manufacturer, their employees, their families, their neighbors, their passed away loved ones, their dogs, goldfish, and probably people they passed on the street today, would be sued for copyright infringement.

All that said... My Dad ran straight ATF in our hydros for 30 years, out of pure ignorance, and NEVER serviced them or changed the filters... It took 30 years, and probably 3000 or more hours (no kidding), before we had any hydro failures outside of normal adjustment type stuff. I don't recommend that, and I don't follow that practice myself, but they put up with it.

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by Maxwelhse

IH can't hold the patent for HyTran anymore... It's been WAY too long. Now, the name "HyTran" is probably copyrighted. Hopefully Case or Navistar don't just collect a check and issue a "yep, it's HyTran" to anyone that says they want to sell HyTran. I'm sure there is still a certification process in play.

I can assure you, as a previous Navistar employee, that if a fluid did NOT meet their spec and was used without permission, but was advertised as the "real deal", the manufacturer, their employees, their families, their neighbors, their passed away loved ones, their dogs, goldfish, and probably people they passed on the street today, would be sued for copyright infringement.

All that said... My Dad ran straight ATF in our hydros for 30 years, out of pure ignorance, and NEVER serviced them or changed the filters... It took 30 years, and probably 3000 or more hours (no kidding), before we had any hydro failures outside of normal adjustment type stuff. I don't recommend that, and I don't follow that practice myself, but they put up with it.

I didn't work for Navistar, but I did work for CIH and mostly on IH tractors. (Good old red tractors run for a long time before needing alot of work ;-) ) I can tell you that on a lot of their industrial machines, that they recommended either Hy-Tran, or Dexron ATF. I have never had them tested, but I believe that the two fluids are almost identical. After working on equipment for years, I believe Hy-Tran to be one of the best hydraulic/ transmission oils there is. I also know it is expensive, and do think that the Rural King red Hy-Tran oil is similar enough to use. Just my .02¢

[CADplans]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

I didn't work for Navistar, but I did work for CIH and mostly on IH tractors. (Good old red tractors run for a long time before needing alot of work ;-) ) I can tell you that on a lot of their industrial machines, that they recommended either Hy-Tran, or Dexron ATF. I have never had them tested, but I believe that the two fluids are almost identical. After working on equipment for years, I believe Hy-Tran to be one of the best hydraulic/ transmission oils there is. I also know it is expensive, and do think that the Rural King red Hy-Tran oil is similar enough to use. Just my .02¢

TSC got the off-brand on sale this weekend for $5 a gallon ($25 for 5 gallons).

I have used it for 30 years without any problems, BUT, my machines sleep inside!!