1650 Hydro Tie-rod ball joint

timbo2 · #1 08-06-2015, 09:56 PM

While pulling the transmission today on my first Cork gasket replacement I broke one of the ball joints on the hydro tie rod.

Here is a pic, its the end by the steering column. I don't know which part # I need as there are different #'s for each end and the diagrams I found aren't clear.
So does anyone know if it's 923-3011 or 923-3012.

included extra pics of my project. -Thx

bad gasket-

new gasket:

Shims for cam plate:

cubs-n-bxrs · #2 08-06-2015, 11:52 PM

Tim I think it will depend on the rod threads. One end is a left thread and the other end is right thread. I ordered heim joints for my 1572 because the ball and socket was worn out on both ends of the shaft.

Group_44 · #3 08-07-2015, 12:27 AM

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36244&highlight=super+ends&page=2

I've been down this road with my supers, although yours are most likely a little smaller(not positive on that). You will find the ones from McMaster Carr are cheaper that the ones from Cub Cadet. The one in your photo looks like it's a right hand thread. I upgraded the ones on my tractors to a heavy duty greasable joint, maybe overkill but still cheaper than the Cub parts. Determine what the thread size you need and if it right or left thread then look them you on this link. They are in stock and McMaster shipping is extremely fast. On Partstree they show that all the joints on the 1650 are the same(two on the tie rod, two on the linkage from the steering box) , the current part # is 923-3000 and are shown with a 3/8" x 24 jam nut so I would think they are all right hand but check yours. The 3/8"x24 ends from McMaster are less than 5 bucks.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#rod-ends/=ydwvtb
Ball Joint Linkage

Shielded, Steel, 3/8"-24 Right-Hand Thread Size

timbo2 · #4 08-07-2015, 11:16 AM

Thanks guys- the steering ball joints are too big for the hydro. I have a spare steering tie rod and the ball joints won't fit. Hydro needs 5/16's I think vs. 3/8.

Thanks for the link - lots of good stuff there, haven't been on that site for awhile.

yeeter · #5 08-07-2015, 05:08 PM

Double check the thread direction (looks like the left hand thread to me). They are different on each end but if me I would order one of each and replace them both (and that way can't go wrong)

Yes, smaller than the steering ends but you can just get the appropriate size from McMaster (5/16 is my belief)

bkw3614 · #6 08-07-2015, 05:53 PM

If this 1650 has not been modified, Tractor Supply carries the MTD original equipment part for the Cub Cadets prior to 1985. I paid 14 dollars a pair for them and keep a spare set in stock.

They work on both my 1250and my 782. Be sure there is a lock nut behind them on the drag link or tie rod.

timbo2 · #7 08-07-2015, 07:20 PM

Thanks all,

I ordered from Mcmaster Carr. I needed some other odds and ends and they are a good source for those (shims, heavy washers, coil pins).

I think its RH thread, hard to see in the pic but if you hold the rod vertical the threads slope from lower left to upper right.

drglinski · #8 08-07-2015, 08:38 PM

Wheee......hydro work! Isn't it fun? I did my 147 this spring.

timbo2 · #9 08-07-2015, 08:56 PM

yeah a blast! My body hurt all over.

Although I think the worst part was the footplate screws on the fender assembly. On 6 out of the 8 I had to cut a slot in the screw head with my angle grinder and pound them out.

Hopefully I can get it back in soon. I'm gonna wait for the ball joint repair before I put the transmission back in.

john hall · #10 08-08-2015, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by timbo2

yeah a blast! My body hurt all over.

Although I think the worst part was the footplate screws on the fender assembly. On 6 out of the 8 I had to cut a slot in the screw head with my angle grinder and pound them out.

Every time I've had to remove those I can't help but wonder WHAT was IH thinking. Same problem on removing the hood and grill from a Farmall Cub tractor.