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08-13-2017, 09:08 AM
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Briggs 16HP Vanguard seal - to glue or not to glue?
That is the question... I'm replacing a PTO end seal in one of these and the seal just pops right out when the engine turns over. It doesn't fit too tight. There are no other signs of a problem, like a crankcase breather issue. It's snug when I push it in but I don't have to drive it in. I can push it in with my fingers. Should I put a bead of permatex on it and let it sit to dry? Or do I have a not quite right seal for this engine? I don't want to glue it in if that's not going to work.
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08-13-2017, 09:41 AM
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That seems to be a common problem with the 16hp Vanguards. I picked up my 1641 about 10yrs ago because the guy thought the block was cracked. LOL Got it for cheap. I found out that seal in question was popped out. When reinstalling it I used Permatex ultra blue and it's been holding. I found the bore the seal sits in to b e on the loose side as well.
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08-13-2017, 09:56 AM
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Ok cool. That's what I was hoping. I know there was an issue with the seal size between Koehler series 1 and 2 engines where it was just slightly different. I didn't know if this might be the case with these engines as well. I'll permatex it and see what happens.
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1912 with Kohler M18 engine repower, CI rear, 50C deck, 364 snow blower IH Cub Original with deck #2 cart GREEN 314 with integral sleeve hitch, H2 and independent brake upgrade from a 317, and front hydraulic blade, 48" deck
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08-13-2017, 10:44 AM
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I would give the permatex plenty of cure time. I cannot remember what type of Permatex I used. I believe it was ultra blue. Is the seal you are using rubber coated? Wipe a little oil on the lip portion before you install it.
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149,682,1641,1711 with a 12hp in it 1 8" brinly plow 1 10" brinly plow 451 snow blower,H-48 International snow thrower 42" york rake with fold down grader blade.
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08-13-2017, 10:51 AM
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I have ultra blue. It's rubber coated and I oiled the shaft to slide it in. It's installed and permatexed. Waiting for it to cure now.
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1912 with Kohler M18 engine repower, CI rear, 50C deck, 364 snow blower IH Cub Original with deck #2 cart GREEN 314 with integral sleeve hitch, H2 and independent brake upgrade from a 317, and front hydraulic blade, 48" deck
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08-13-2017, 11:27 AM
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I would just get a steel seal and use #2 permatex.
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