Internal, or external brakes?

[Cub 128]

What kind are the best for pulling? or does it matter?

[maddog784]

I'm no puller, but I have ridden a 782 with internal brakes down a hill. I will say this: the internal brakes only stop the carrier from turning. The spider gears can still turn. This being said, the ride down the hill was almost an unpleasant one. As long as the load on each wheel is equal, your braking will be equal also. But, if you get one tire in loose dirt and one in some hard stuff and tap the brakes, the one in the loose will turn backwards, and, you get the picture. All bad. With externals, you can adjust braking force (before hand) on each side. Just my $0.02.

[Cub 128]

Ok, thanks, so does that mean I cannot lock the differential then?

[jmroy]

Neither gives you an advantage while your pulling. As for going down hills with it, if you're really building it for pulling I doubt you would use it for yard work so it shouldn't be an issue. I personally have an internal brakes on my puller and like them better.

[Merk]

by maddog784
I'm no puller, but I have ridden a 782 with internal brakes down a hill. I will say this: the internal brakes only stop the carrier from turning. The spider gears can still turn. This being said, the ride down the hill was almost an unpleasant one. As long as the load on each wheel is equal, your braking will be equal also. But, if you get one tire in loose dirt and one in some hard stuff and tap the brakes, the one in the loose will turn backwards, and, you get the picture. All bad. With externals, you can adjust braking force (before hand) on each side. Just my $0.02.

Pulling and going down a hill is 2 totally different things. I want an internal brake system in my puller. I will run a spool/non differental if the class rules allow it. I steer the tractor by leaning to the left or right (front wheels off the ground). Spinning weight (in this case wheels and axle) will give the tractor quicker wheel speed if there is less mass to turn. I will walk the pulling track and watch the pullers in front of me to determine where I will go.

Without knowing maddog784 story I can't say too much. It is too easy to pull a trailer with too big of a load and expect the tractor to stop on a dime. I'm quilty of that too. Disc brakes do a better job stopping (providing the tractor has decent tires and bite) if the condiations are right.

[dvogtvpe]

99% of pullers will use a internal brake rearend for 3 reasons. the main one with external brakes you can have drag on 1 brake that could pull you off to one side. second is weight and last its hard to fit 6x6 offset aluminum rims on an external brake rear.

[maddog784]

Like I say, I'm not a puller. I had first got my 782 and my hard has a pretty steep hill. I was learning my yard and went down the hill forward and they broke loose. It was an interesting ride, to say the least. All of the pulling that I'm used to is big tractors - where you had to have traction brakes to steer. Although my comment on the brake performance in the yard, I know that special built pullers aren't generally yard workers. I didn't know that classes would allow running a non-differential - that sounds like a preferred setup to me.

[Cub 128]

Ok, thanks all, Yeah im just going to use this 128 for puller...

I got another tractor for yard work.