Whats considered low/high hours?

[squatch]

I don't get why you have your back up Merk. This thread isn't about a 100 vs a super. The man was asking about the super.
Yes a smaller tractor might move that trailer full of oak but I wouldn't do it on my property. Liable to end up in the river. That trailer outweighs my super several times when it's full. My property is hilly. My truck can feel that trailer when it's full. I want a big stable GT to move big loads and the foot print of the super is just that. That's one of the big reasons I bought it. The chains are on there because it's winter. Once they go on they stay on till spring. It also gets back to the control thing. when I hit the brakes on the hill I want to stop not slide.
Nobody is saying the regular GTs are not good tractors but there is a reason they call these "supers". Because they are bigger. Pros and cons to each. Around here restored early cubs sell for -$1000 on cl. Unrestored Supers sell for $1500-$3000. Other folks besides me must like them to pay the difference. I like them all but only have time, money, room for one but I have 2. So I have the one that suits my needs the best. Most of my neighbors have 4x4 CUTs to do what I do with the 1872.
By comparison I have a lifted built Isuzu Trooper it's an amazing 4x4 very capable. But it won't do what my old Dodge Powerwagon will do when it comes to pulling and hauling. That's why they make all kinds!

[aagitch]

To get back on topic that cyclops with the cab/thrower is nice. There's a couple super cyclops not too far from me for sale in my price range but I'm nervous about getting a cyclops. One has the mag20 and the other has the kubota gas engine. I'll have to make up my dang mind.

[Matt G.]

Squatch-

My dad and I sawed up some firewood with the buzz saw on the Farmall B today, and he can't put the trailer on it because the saw blocks the drawbar...so I decided to see if my 782 (not a super) could handle it. I've got about 300# of weight in/on the rear tires and chains on the turfs. I'm going to guess that the trailer probably weighs about 1800# loaded like it is. Don't let its size fool you...the bottom of that trailer is 1/4" plate steel and is VERY heavy. I was able to pull this up a slight incline on top of about 4" of settled snow. I could only steer if I followed in the tracks that the Farmall left on the previous trip. I had plenty of power, but barely enough traction. Thankfully, I have equipped my 782 with SGT-style independent brake pedals, which I was dancing around on to stop the wheels once they lost traction. Moral of the story, I bet Merk's 70 would have had enough power to pull this (I never heard the M18 pull on the gov at all while pulling this) but a 70 would need a LOT of weight to be able to pull this. I think my independent brakes saved me.

[Merk]

by squatch
I don't get why you have your back up Merk. This thread isn't about a 100 vs a super. The man was asking about the super.

My first was a response was about a super.
I suggest you reread part of my first post:

by Merk
Here are some interresting facts from a Biggs and Stratton small motor class that I used to teach:
Average life of a push mower is 2-3 years.
Average life of a lawn tractor is 3-5 years.
Average life of a garden tractor is 7-8 years.
Sad to say the average small motor owner isn't too keen on preventive maintance.




I have a off topic garden tractor that I purchase new 14 years ago. It has a Briggs and Stratton Van Guard 2 cylinder that has 930 hours on it. It doesn't smoke or use any oil. The only motor problems I've had was gear on starter that I had to replace and fouling out champion spark plugs....It doesn't foul out Auto Lite plugs. Briggs claims this motor should last 2000 hours with no major problems.

Most motors will last more than a 1000 hours if the owner does the regular maintance like the follow the owner's manual maintance schedule. A good grade of fuel is a key item in making a motor last. Using a good quality replacement parts helps extend the life of a motor.



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by ccpullin
Go for a Super and you won’t regret it! That’s not a bad price with those options and low hours, as clean ones are getting harder to find. I have 4 Supers to include a 2082 with a green 44 loader on it, a 2084 with a snow blower, a 1772 diesel with a snow blade and a 982 with a snow blade, and love them all. I will say you sit more comfortable on the 982 & 1772 tractors though. I also have an all original 169 with a Quick Way loader, original 1650 dual hydraulics and a 0riginal 149 which are great tractors, but they are not Supers!
I have work on and driven Supers.....not at all impress with them. They need more room to turn and take more room to store. Only thing nice about a super is the power steering.

I don't have my back up as you claim....just defending myself from comments like this:

by squatch
You probably ain't moving this full of wood with a 7hp tractor.

and this:

by ccpullin
Supers advantages : Larger tires, wheels & front axle/spindles (traction & caring weight), more stable especially with equipment such as a loader on it, handles larger equipment (mowers, snow blades, tillers, blowers), steering brakes, power steering, larger engines, hydraulics, rear PTO's, more passenger room. I have found that you can actually steer them when blowing or pushing snow too!

Standard Tractor advantages: Shorter, take up less room, turn tighter, cheaper, use less fuel

I'm just pointing out that a super cub isn't as super as some of you claim.
You and ccpullin are the ones who fired the first shots.

All Cubs have their good and bad points. The buyer should be able to hear the good and bad points about a Cub they want to buy.
I know I want to hear both sides.

enjoy boys.....I have better things to do.

[squatch]

Originally Posted by Matt G.

Squatch-

My dad and I sawed up some firewood with the buzz saw on the Farmall B today, and he can't put the trailer on it because the saw blocks the drawbar...so I decided to see if my 782 (not a super) could handle it. I've got about 300# of weight in/on the rear tires and chains on the turfs. I'm going to guess that the trailer probably weighs about 1800# loaded like it is. Don't let its size fool you...the bottom of that trailer is 1/4" plate steel and is VERY heavy. I was able to pull this up a slight incline on top of about 4" of settled snow. I could only steer if I followed in the tracks that the Farmall left on the previous trip. I had plenty of power, but barely enough traction. Thankfully, I have equipped my 782 with SGT-style independent brake pedals, which I was dancing around on to stop the wheels once they lost traction. Moral of the story, I bet Merk's 70 would have had enough power to pull this (I never heard the M18 pull on the gov at all while pulling this) but a 70 would need a LOT of weight to be able to pull this. I think my independent brakes saved me.

That was pretty much where I was going. The bigger the load the more tractor I like to have hauling it. Especially in bad conditions. Didn't mean to imply that it couldn't be done by a smaller tractor. I've been there. But I feel safer and more confident with the bigger machine. I was cheerleading as some have called it, not firing shots. The steering brakes are one of my favorite features of a super. Got me moving when I would have been stuck otherwise plowing snow over the weekend. Right foot "locker". Dancing is a good description of my foot on the pedals a couple of times as well!
I realize there are many on here that know more about cubs than me. But I have owned several Other GTs over the years some with the same or more HP. My super outshines them all! Perhaps I'm a little biased towards it because it out works them all.
Perfect it's not. Changing the power steering shaft was one of the biggest "What were they they thinking when they designed this" jobs I've ever done. I've never seen so many can't be flexed lines and flare nuts in such a small hard to get to space in all my life. And inside the dash is a PIA to get to anything. But any older cub I've seen is better to work on then what they are selling this week. The M18 is a gas hog but man does it pull. I also love the sound.
Metalrain if you buy it I hope you are as happy with it as I am mine. Back to the hours question. My Kohler M18 ate the govenor at around 1200 hours. Several other things needed some work at this time as well. But I don't think my tractor saw a lot of TLC from previous owner(s).

[ccpullin]

I agree! Everyone has an opinion, and should be able to share them! Negative comments like:

“Only thing nice about a super is the power steering.”

are uncalled for and was not mine as showed in the quote above! Comments should be kept to advantages/disadvantages, experiences, recommendations and a little humor one in a while!