1512 diesel - Page 13

John147 · #**121** 03-29-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

A little black smoke out of a mechanical, naturally asperated diesel is normal.
If it starts easy, and isn't losing fluids, isn't smoking white or blue, it's fine. Don't waste your money.

Sad that they don't teach people how to diagnose without a scan tool anymore. Even on a computer controlled engine I'll get halfway to the problem before ever plugging one in.

I want to make another comment too.....
You guys who turbocharge these things. Don't get me wrong, it's cool. It looks cool, it sounds cool..... but I have yet to see anyone do it and it MATTER. All the diesels are hydro tractors. You ever kill or completely power out your hydrostatic drive diesel tractor with just the hydro? Have you ever pulled something so hard, it killed the motor? I can't say that I ever pulled something so hard it killed the motor on any of my hydro drive Cubs. None of them. It spins out before it kills the engine. Adding a turbo to that engine would only every make any different if you are still mowing with it, or using some kind of PTO driver implement, like the mower, or snowblower. Even a rear driven PTO implement. If all you do is push a front blade, or pull a moldboard plow, all you would add a turbo for is to hear it whine... because it will. Oh sure, it may give you a little boost, but on a hydro, there is no gain. On a gear drive machine, there is gain. It's not like the hydro gains anything when more torque is applied to the input. The hydro is not capable of making more torque.

I'm sure this is a wasted rant..... I don't know that many guys who turbo these tractors are doing it to gain power. I think it's just the wow factor.
I'd like the have a turbocharged D600.... In a gear drive.

You are 100% correct other then maybe working it with my 450 blower a turbo is just for smiles and grins. Not a wasted rant at all. I actually used the money set aside for the turbo to get ags and fix my steering and replace the drive line so for now it will stay as it is.

As for the training it's true i went to Ohio Technical College in Cleveland back in 2010 and i took automotive and diesel. Even then they taught us to rely on a scan tool for the heavy trucks and equipment.

J-Mech · #**122** 03-29-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by John147

As for the training it's true i went to Ohio Technical College in Cleveland back in 2010 and i took automotive and diesel. Even then they taught us to rely on a scan tool for the heavy trucks and equipment.

Sad they don't actually teach in colleges anymore. We actually had to diagnose and fix diesels.... without a scan tool. Even electronic diesels, (which were just starting to gain in popularity in auto and ag/construction) they made us diagnose all possible causes before hooking up the scan tool. I guess they just want part changers now. Don't mean to offend you..... but that's just how I see it.

Sorry.... rant over.

DieselDoctor · #**123** 03-29-2018, 08:18 PM

I agree Jon. Nothing against the guys that have this education, it's the colleges that are at fault. The world we live in has come to rely on electronics, of all types. No one is teaching the theory any more. Plug a diagnostic tool in, get a answer or two and make the repair. You know as well as I do, that some problems gas or diesel are not what the magic box said they were. If you don't know the theory of the system, how can you tell when the box is wrong? Another point, each and every one of those fancy scan tools (and I own two) had their program written by a human, so there is a potential for error in every line item in the "magic box". If you don't understand the basic theory how can you don't know right from wrong. College should teach the basics and how to use the box efficiently and correctly. End of rant.

John147 · #**124** 03-30-2018, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

Sad they don't actually teach in colleges anymore. We actually had to diagnose and fix diesels.... without a scan tool. Even electronic diesels, (which were just starting to gain in popularity in auto and ag/construction) they made us diagnose all possible causes before hooking up the scan tool. I guess they just want part changers now. Don't mean to offend you..... but that's just how I see it.

Sorry.... rant over.

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Originally Posted by DieselDoctor

I agree Jon. Nothing against the guys that have this education, it's the colleges that are at fault. The world we live in has come to rely on electronics, of all types. No one is teaching the theory any more. Plug a diagnostic tool in, get a answer or two and make the repair. You know as well as I do, that some problems gas or diesel are not what the magic box said they were. If you don't know the theory of the system, how can you tell when the box is wrong? Another point, each and every one of those fancy scan tools (and I own two) had their program written by a human, so there is a potential for error in every line item in the "magic box". If you don't understand the basic theory how can you don't know right from wrong. College should teach the basics and how to use the box efficiently and correctly. End of rant.

You are both right, i work for toyota so other then my person TDI i don't do much with diesel. Even with toyota they want you to start with the scan tool it records everything today. Most days i replace frames in tacoma's and tundra's

I had a blinker inop it even knows that today

DieselDoctor · #**125** 03-30-2018, 03:16 PM

Isn't it sad that in today's world we have to replace frames?

olds45512 · #**126** 03-30-2018, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselDoctor

Isn't it sad that in today's world we have to replace frames?

I've replaced a few at work but those were wrecks on brand new trucks and the frames were damaged beyond repair.

Alvy · #**127** 03-30-2018, 05:43 PM

John 147 what’s the reason for replacing frames? I’m assuming rust out judging by where you live. And I would imagine this is a warranty deal? How much labor does that pay?

John147 · #**128** 03-30-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselDoctor

Isn't it sad that in today's world we have to replace frames?

Honestly it's great for the customer they get a new frame to a truck that otherwise would have been worthless. My ex father in law's 2003 2500HD frame rotted out GM told him to pound salt.

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Originally Posted by olds45512

I've replaced a few at work but those were wrecks on brand new trucks and the frames were damaged beyond repair.

Rust is a terrible thing. I do 2-3 frames a week we have about 30-35 frame back log right now.

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Originally Posted by Alvy

John 147 what’s the reason for replacing frames? I’m assuming rust out judging by where you live. And I would imagine this is a warranty deal? How much labor does that pay?

Rust or as toyota states frame perforation due to climate conditions. This a customer service campaign, Not a recall but not warranty.

2005-2010 tacoma 4x4 frame paid 40 hours, 2wd frames pays 38 hours. 2005-2007 sequoia 4x4 pays 38 hours 2wd pays 36 hours.
2007-2008 tundra 4x4 pays 40 2wd pays 38 hours.
2008 sequia 4x4 pays 36 hours 2wd is 34 hours.

Alvy · #**129** 03-30-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John147

Honestly it's great for the customer they get a new frame to a truck that otherwise would have been worthless. My ex father in law's 2003 2500HD frame rotted out GM told him to pound salt.

Rust is a terrible thing. I do 2-3 frames a week we have about 30-35 frame back log right now.

Rust or as toyota states frame perforation due to climate conditions. This a customer service campaign, Not a recall but not warranty.

2005-2010 tacoma 4x4 frame paid 40 hours, 2wd frames pays 38 hours. 2005-2007 sequoia 4x4 pays 38 hours 2wd pays 36 hours.
2007-2008 tundra 4x4 pays 40 2wd pays 38 hours.
2008 sequia 4x4 pays 36 hours 2wd is 34 hours.

Wow impressive you can knock them out that fast. I know how repetition makes you faster with doing so many but you gotta be good with the fire wrench too. I remember working in Saltville NY on vehicles and we had torches hanging in every bay. Thanks for sharing that’s pretty cool that Toyota steps up to the plate like that.

John147 · #**130** 03-31-2018, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alvy

Wow impressive you can knock them out that fast. I know how repetition makes you faster with doing so many but you gotta be good with the fire wrench too. I remember working in Saltville NY on vehicles and we had torches hanging in every bay. Thanks for sharing that’s pretty cool that Toyota steps up to the plate like that.

Honestly other then cutting off the lower control arms because you get new ones and the old ones never come out and the exhaust bolts. There isn't really a need for torch you get all new hardware and when you don't get it common and we have in our bolt bin.