Another 682 With a blown K17 - Page 2

john hall · #11 10-21-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom4981

What does repower mean?....It sure is in nice shape.

In a nutshell, put in another engine. Normally because the one in the machine ain't worth fixing or you found a deal on a engine that was less money than you could fix yours. It can be putting back in the same model engine, or anything you can alter and make work--new or used.

J-Mech · #12 10-21-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom4981

What does repower mean?....It sure is in nice shape.

I'm going to expand a little on what John said.

Repower typically refers to replacing the engine with a different style or brand of engine. In this case going from a twin cylinder opposed Kohler to a V-Twin Vanguard for example. Could also mean going the other way, such as to a single cylinder 16hp.

Replacement would be replacing the current engine with a like motor. Same configuration and brand, but maybe just a newer model. Example would include going from a Series I KT17 to a Series II KT17. Still same basic power plant.

Rebuilding is obvious. You rebuild what you have.

In this case, repower is the most efficient choice as the parts availability and cost of parts for the KT engines is not "cost effective. Even making a switch to a used Mag 18 is a better choice than fixing the current motor.

FWIW, the damage to the block is indicative of a failed timing gear. Could possibly be a broken rod, but that hole is consistent with governor failure, a very common occurrence in that particular series engine.

Texas Blues · #13 10-21-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

I'm going to expand a little on what John said.

Repower typically refers to replacing the engine with a different style or brand of engine. In this case going from a twin cylinder opposed Kohler to a V-Twin Vanguard for example. Could also mean going the other way, such as to a single cylinder 16hp.

Replacement would be replacing the current engine with a like motor. Same configuration and brand, but maybe just a newer model. Example would include going from a Series I KT17 to a Series II KT17. Still same basic power plant.

Rebuilding is obvious. You rebuild what you have.

In this case, repower is the most efficient choice as the parts availability and cost of parts for the KT engines is not "cost effective. Even making a switch to a used Mag 18 is a better choice than fixing the current motor.

FWIW, the damage to the block is indicative of a failed timing gear. Could possibly be a broken rod, but that hole is consistent with governor failure, a very common occurrence in that particular series engine.

Yea Jmech, I confirmed that this K17 is blown to humorous proportions. This will not be a rebuild. It broke the castings on the jugs on both sides. Crank journals are ate up, rods are in there somewhere lol. And the block is broke. I will start the search for a repower option.

zippy1 · #14 10-22-2016, 01:09 AM

Well it looks like it's got good bones anyway! Congrats...

Texas Blues · #15 10-22-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zippy1

Well it looks like it's got good bones anyway! Congrats...

Thanks zippy1. Only good thing about the motor now, is that I now have a lot of spare parts for my 1811, that has the M18.

Has anyone ever put a command pro 25 in a 682/782? I see one listed, but don't know if it will fit. I'm going to call the guy and see if he can tell me the exact model number of the motor because the listing is pretty vague. Thanks, TB

J-Mech · #16 10-22-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Texas Blues

Thanks zippy1. Only good thing about the motor now, is that I now have a lot of spare parts for my 1811, that has the M18.

Has anyone ever put a command pro 25 in a 682/782? I see one listed, but don't know if it will fit. I'm going to call the guy and see if he can tell me the exact model number of the motor because the listing is pretty vague. Thanks, TB

Yes, they have. There is thread on here somewhere. Although, 25HP is not really necessary. Largest deck you can put on it is a 50". 18hp is large enough.... even stepping up to 20hp would be cool. I'm with Sam all the way. He usually says something like, just enough is not enough, a little more is better and too much is just right. While that is cool.... there is no need to spend the extra money unless it's just what you want. Last I checked, the 25hp engines were significantly higher than an 18hp.

Oak · #17 10-22-2016, 01:53 PM

How about one of these China specials? Anybody on OCC do one of these yet?
http://www.harborfreight.com/engines...epa-61614.html

Texas Blues · #18 10-22-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Oak

How about one of these China specials? Anybody on OCC do one of these yet?
http://www.harborfreight.com/engines...epa-61614.html

Hey Oak. I was just looking at that motor. It says the shaft is only 1" or 25.4 MM. My shaft measures about 1.125" or about 25.5 MM, so I dont think it will work. I might go to the local HF with my pto assy just to see if the specs are wrong. Also need to measure the mounting hole measurements on my mounting plate. That motor is supposed to be a Honda "knockoff". I would be interested in seeing if anyone has used that motor. TB

J-Mech · #19 10-22-2016, 08:16 PM

They make a sleeve for the crankshaft that will bump it up to the correct size. As far as I know, no one here has used one as of yet. Over on the Deere site I'm a member of, guys have put a few in with good results.

Texas Blues · #20 10-22-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

They make a sleeve for the crankshaft that will bump it up to the correct size. As far as I know, no one here has used one as of yet. Over on the Deere site I'm a member of, guys have put a few in with good results.

Thanks jmech that is good to know. I'll look into the adapter sleeve. I called the local HF and they said they had one on display. I might go check it out tomorrow. TB