Cub Cadet Creeper Gear on a 128 - Help

[budscub]

Having not ever been into one, this is just an observation. Looking at the parts diagram, To me it appears that Snap ring #15 , holds bearing #14 into #16. John and Lew, am I way out in left field?

[darkminion_17]

Yes it does,jon.I guess pics are in order for tomorrow.

[Dart1917]

Maybe this will help- if I did it right

[mseeley]

This is about as clear as pond water to me. Hopefully the photos will help. I'm trying to install #15 Internal Snap Ring - Part #716-04098.

1st image shows #14 bearing (with #8 snap ring installed) on #7 input shaft. Note the groove on the side of the bearing, close to #13 planet gear thrush washer. If #15 is installed in the groove on the bearing, then #16 Bearing Cage will not seat into the #1 housing enough to install #19 Bearing Cage Retainer Snap Ring.

2nd image shows #16 Bearing Cage. Note the groove inside the bearing cage. If #15 is installed in the groove inside the bearing cage, then the same issue as above (#16 Bearing Cage will not seat into the #1 housing enough to install #19 Bearing Cage Retainer Snap Ring). Note the damage to the cage at the 6 o'clock position where it appears someone may have tried to force the cage in with a BFH.

There is normal resistance from #17 O-ring along the outer rim of the bearing cage, getting it past the groove in #1 housing where #19 Snap Ring goes.

[darkminion_17]

The cross section that was posted is how it goes together,is the bearing the correct width?
this one is 7/16 or .4375

[ironman]

Just my 2 cents, but judging from Dart1917's drawing....

there is a snap ring on each side of the bearing, one in the groove on the input shaft, the other in the groove in the bearing cage.

I would make it that way and then try to put the bearing cage into the main housing without the big thrust washer. If it does go in, something on the other side of the thrust washer might not be right. Else wise, that input shaft is not going far enough into whatever it goes into.

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by mseeley

This is about as clear as pond water to me. Hopefully the photos will help. I'm trying to install #15 Internal Snap Ring - Part #716-04098.

1st image shows #14 bearing (with #8 snap ring installed) on #7 input shaft. Note the groove on the side of the bearing, close to #13 planet gear thrush washer. If #15 is installed in the groove on the bearing, then #16 Bearing Cage will not seat into the #1 housing enough to install #19 Bearing Cage Retainer Snap Ring.

2nd image shows #16 Bearing Cage. Note the groove inside the bearing cage. If #15 is installed in the groove inside the bearing cage, then the same issue as above (#16 Bearing Cage will not seat into the #1 housing enough to install #19 Bearing Cage Retainer Snap Ring). Note the damage to the cage at the 6 o'clock position where it appears someone may have tried to force the cage in with a BFH.

I'm pretty sure your putting it together backwards.

You put the bearing in the #16 housing, install the snap ring to hold the bearing in, then put the shaft through it (but the big washer on the shaft first, and install the snap ring on the shaft. Then you would install the #16 housing into the other housing, then install the seal.

Originally Posted by darkminion_17

The cross section that was posted is how it goes together,is the bearing the correct width?
this one is 7/16 or .4375

I also agree with Lew, check the bearing width. Although, I would think that if your bearing was too wide, then you wouldn't be able to get the snap ring on the shaft.

[Yosemite Sam]

Your order of assembly may be holding things up.

The bearing should be installed into the cage first, then #15 snap ring to keep the bearing in the cage.

With no other parts in the main housing and no "O" ring on the cage and no seal in the cage, put the huge washer into the housing, then put the cage in, to see if it fits. if it does, great. If not, you gotta find out why.

Once you get the cage to fit in the housing correctly, put the big "O" ring on it and put it back in and install the big snap ring.

Then #7, #9, #11 and #12 need to be assembled and installed from the other side.

The shaft should then go in far enough to install snap ring #8.

[darkminion_17]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Once you get the cage to fit in the housing correctly, put the big "O" ring on it and put it back in and install the big snap ring.

Then #7, #9, #11 and #12 need to be assembled and installed from the other side.

You would not be able to put those parts in from the other side,#9 is held in by a roll pin,how do you install it with the housing on?

It goes together like this.

1 press bearing on shaft,install small snappy ring.
2 install bearing and shaft into housing.
3 install snappy ring in housing.
4 install thrust washer.
5 install planetary gears.
6 install gear # 9 with shoulder facing planetary gears.
7 install roll pin in #9 be sure is flush to the gear .
8 install sliding gear # 10
9 install O ring on bearing housing.
10 install whole assembly into creepy housing.
11 install snappy ring.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by darkminion_17

You would not be able to put those parts in from the other side,#9 is held in by a roll pin,how do you install it with the housing on?

It goes together like this.

1 press bearing on shaft,install small snappy ring.
2 install bearing and shaft into housing.
3 install snappy ring in housing.
4 install thrust washer.
5 install planetary gears.
6 install gear # 9 with shoulder facing planetary gears.
7 install roll pin in #9 be sure is flush to the gear .
8 install sliding gear # 10
9 install O ring on bearing housing.
10 install whole assembly into creepy housing.
11 install snappy ring.

Not saying your method is wrong, but if you put #7, #9, #11 and #12 together first (along with the pin that holds #9) then you can slide the whole assembly in and put snap ring #8 on then put the seal in.

For instances like this, where it is difficult to get the cage properly seated into the housing, installing the thrust washer and cage first may make the process easier.