Carrying Cubs to an event

[sawdustdad]

Going to try two ratcheting load binders under each cub to D rings in an E track placed on the centerline of the cubs. One from the front of the cub frame going backwards and one from the rear going forward. Maybe use the foot pedal support rod going forward and brake or lift rockshaft going backwards.

Will take some pics and post them when I get the stuff to test it out.

Thanks for all the advice.

And yes, I try to be careful with the nylon strap binders, too, but carrying different stuff, the straps sometimes lose the padding and can chafe. I've had the same 10 or 12 straps for 15 years or so, and only have had to scrap one strap due to damage in transit.

[cooperino]

Originally Posted by sawdustdad

I ordered one section of E track and a couple D ring clips to experiment with. I just need to work out the hold down hardware between the Cub frame members and the E Track D Ring clip. A turnbuckle or something like that. I want something easy to attach and remove, without having to deal with a bunch of loose strap ends and something that won't work loose during a road trip.

Why do you want to hit the frame of the tractor.. straps over the tires wont scratch paint. Wont cut your straps. And tractors wont budge. You don't have to buy expensive new straps. Make a loop with a regular strap and pull it around the tires .

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by cooperino

Why do you want to hit the frame of the tractor.. straps over the tires wont scratch paint. Wont cut your straps. And tractors wont budge. You don't have to buy expensive new straps. Make a loop with a regular strap and pull it around the tires .

I don't think it will work on a gt. I wouldn't do it either. Strapping to the frame is the safest, most effective and has the least amount of risk.

By going a loop around the tire, what keeps it from rocking? I've seen cars strapped like that, and they roll back and forth. People likely trust just the park lock paw, and not the parking brake, but that's irrelevant. If strapped properly, the car/truck/tractor could be in neutral and stay put on the trailer. No. I wouldn't trust a loop over a tire either.

[cooperino]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

I don't think it will work on a gt. I wouldn't do it either. Strapping to the frame is the safest, most effective and has the least amount of risk.

By going a loop around the tire, what keeps it from rocking? I've seen cars strapped like that, and they roll back and forth. People likely trust just the park lock paw, and not the parking brake, but that's irrelevant. If strapped properly, the car/truck/tractor could be in neutral and stay put on the trailer. No. I wouldn't trust a loop over a tire either.

I have owned and operated my International 4300 wrecker for the last 20 plus years. I never put straps or chains on the chassis of the Corvette or the 69 Camaro. If you pull from the front tires forward and the rear tires in other direction its not going to move. I am not doubting you have a great deal of knowledge Jon, But I dont just refurbish my equipment here.. We also hual most of it ourselves with My double drop trailer, Landoll trailer, and RGN trailer. Many times needing permits for over weight in excess of 120,000 pound loads. I have to deal with DOT all the time and know a thing or 2 about securing loads. You know those 10 car tractor trailers you see going down the highway?? All 10 cars on that truck are strapped by the tires. Just sayin

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by cooperino

I have owned and operated my International 4300 wrecker for the last 20 plus years. I never put straps or chains on the chassis of the Corvette or the 69 Camaro. If you pull from the front tires forward and the rear tires in other direction its not going to move. I am not doubting you have a great deal of knowledge Jon, But I dont just refurbish my equipment here.. We also hual most of it ourselves with My double drop trailer, Landoll trailer, and RGN trailer. Many times needing permits for over weight in excess of 120,000 pound loads. I have to deal with DOT all the time and know a thing or 2 about securing loads. You know those 10 car tractor trailers you see going down the highway?? All 10 cars on that truck are strapped by the tires. Just sayin

Yep. I've hauled a lot of equipment too. I've had and used my CDL also for 20 years. Oversized loads and all. A car is far different than a small tractor, both in how it can be sucured, and how much it will move. I've never had a tractor or a car move sideways on a trailer, but if not secured well a small garden tractor will. They are light enough to bounce and move.

[cooperino]

Pulled tight from 4 corners in opposite directions, It aint gonna move. The guy was looking for solutions to not scratch paint. My solution is don't touch the paint. Yup. you can use anti scuffs or plastic guards, Ive seen cardboard and duct tape.. I have seen all of those things mark up and scuff paint. 2" straps over the tires can be pulled down with enough force to squash the tires by inches. Ever used a uhaul tow dolly? I dont really like them myself but all they use is a strap web over each tire. Never seen one come loose that was tightened correctly. They make these in different sizes by the way.

[sawdustdad]

I don't know that I have room on the trailer to carry 6 tractors and still have space to use the tire straps as there will be only a few inches between tractors. I would also have to have 24 tire straps to keep 6 tractors secured from 4 points each. And do they make such straps that will fit the small front tires on a Cub?

My idea, for what it's worth, (and you guys have WAY more experience hauling stuff than I do) is to attach to the tractors from underneath, on the round bar cross members (foot step support, lift rockshaft) so that any marks would not be noticeable. With a few chain links, two binders per tractor, I think I might be able to secure them with no worries of straps chafing and without the tractors moving anywhere during a long road trip.

[cooperino]

Originally Posted by sawdustdad

I don't know that I have room on the trailer to carry 6 tractors and still have space to use the tire straps as there will be only a few inches between tractors. I would also have to have 24 tire straps to keep 6 tractors secured from 4 points each. And do they make such straps that will fit the small front tires on a Cub?

My idea, for what it's worth, (and you guys have WAY more experience hauling stuff than I do) is to attach to the tractors from underneath, on the round bar cross members (foot step support, lift rockshaft) so that any marks would not be noticeable. With a few chain links, two binders per tractor, I think I might be able to secure them with no worries of straps chafing and without the tractors moving anywhere during a long road trip.

That will work also, if you can hit a non painted point and pull straight down your fine. Honestly. 2 straps on opposing corners would hold the tractors with no problem.. So 6 tractors becomes 12 straps. Do what you feel comfortable with. You gotta drive it. No matter what you do, one thing ive learned, If something gonna loosen up, usually does in the first 50 miles. Stop and check it. Good luck and have a blast at the meet!

[DoubleO7]

Originally Posted by sawdustdad

My idea, for what it's worth, (and you guys have WAY more experience hauling stuff than I do) is to attach to the tractors from underneath, on the round bar cross members (foot step support, lift rockshaft) so that any marks would not be noticeable. With a few chain links, two binders per tractor, I think I might be able to secure them with no worries of straps chafing and without the tractors moving anywhere during a long road trip.

Maybe use a axle strap over foot step support/lift rockshaft to a 7 inch long e-track tie-off strap.


Then an e-track anchor clip (or another tie-off as pictured) with a conventional hook end ratchet strap from tie-off up and over foot step support/lift rockshaft and back to the tie-off.

Or other combos of your choice.
But you only need one binder/ratchet per cub.

[gsomersjr]

Both my trailers have e-track front to rear down both sides and a third section down the middle. I use the middle section to secure a short safety chain from the drawbar to the e-track clip using quick links on both ends. I also use ratchet straps that have e-track clips on both ends. Never have to worry about the hooks falling out of the d-rings while trying to tie down again.