1894, Rare or Worthless

[old piddler]

That would be my luck, taking everything else apart but then isn't it often the last thing you check. The PTO light is on now no mater where the selector is set but it wasnt that way before, now I'm really thinking about that little switch hanging below the dash. I want to wait now till I get to Tractor Supply and try to get some paint to match, since I have the battery out and the seat and floor pan off I see places I would love to paint before I put that back. My big problem right now with pictures is getting them unloaded from the camara card to the computer, but thanks for the help Duke. You guys are quick to give help and I appreciate it.

[Dave01]

I'm pretty sure the PTO light only comes on as a reminder of why you can't start. So, if it's on, I believe the PTO switch is either on or faulty. The switch has 3 positions - off (down), on (middle), and start (up, spring loaded). Make sure it is in the off position, the PTO light should go out.

[mike402fish]

I have an 1864 also, love it. looking for plastics, right side, front and hood. Good luck with yours

[PaulS]

I have a 2084 that develops a start problem. When it does not start it just clicks the solonoid but it does not engage. Was told at the repair shop that my battery terminal was not making good enough contact. A couple months ago I had to replace an ignition module and removed the battery and the positive terminal was all corroded. I spent a bit of time cleaning everything up before reassembling and so far the starter kicks right in. I was also told that I should install a relay between the ignition and the solonoid and that fixes that problem too.

[old piddler]

I know the battery termanials and switch connections along with the relay could be my problem. I have everything painted so I'm ready to start back with it. The seat safety switch was unhooked from the beginning so I will just leave it that way for now and the switch hanging loose under the dash came off two very small rusty machine bolts that if hooked up would put it somewhere near 2/3 speed on the forward speed selector, those two small bolts hadn't seen a nut for years according to the rust. Cub Cadet say they don't have a Manual available for the 1864, the manager a Tractor Supply tried to download one for me but had no luck, local dealers within 100 miles don't have one and a friend at International is now trying to get me one from Binder Books. I have a Service Manual from International for older models,the 5,6,7,and 9 82's but I don't think there is any help for me there.. If anyone has a 1864 Manual you chould cherish it. If I ever get one I will go back and fix these switches that are unhooked.

[Dave01]

You won't have a starter relay - what Paul was referring to is a recommended fix for all of us is to add a relay so instead of all that amperage running through the ignition switch, instead the switch just operates the relay and you don't have the drop from trying to push the power through the switch.

I have an owners manual for the 1864, plus a full service manual for the 2084 that I believe also includes the 1864, like I said the tractors are very similar from a systems point of view. I bought mine on Ebay, they are there at times and I think Binder Books has them as well. If you just need a few pages scanned let me know and I will do that for you.

[old piddler]

I'm slowley getting the 1864 back to gather. he seat switches were unhooked when I got the tractor so I'm leavung that alone untill I get the manual I ordered, I am concerned about the switch I find hanging belw the ignition switch, its a make and break type switch with a long lever that opens or closes the switch. I found the two rusty machine bolts that the switch was mounted on. he way it seems to mount puts this lever across the slot for the forward speed , the selector would pass the switch on the way up but be stoped by the lever about half way down toward neutral. Can you help me with that one.

[Dave01]

I haven't seen that one myself, but my guess is it's an early version of the reverse safety switch. It probably was supposed to be set up so when the hydro lever moves from forward to reverse it hits the long metal lever and interupts pto power. The reverse safety switches were not wired to kill the engine, just to stop the pto.

I'm not 100% sure, but that's my best guess.

[esarvey]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I have a 2084 that develops a start problem. When it does not start it just clicks the solonoid but it does not engage. Was told at the repair shop that my battery terminal was not making good enough contact. A couple months ago I had to replace an ignition module and removed the battery and the positive terminal was all corroded. I spent a bit of time cleaning everything up before reassembling and so far the starter kicks right in. I was also told that I should install a relay between the ignition and the solonoid and that fixes that problem too.

If the starter solenoid is drawing so much that it hurts the IG. sw. IT is the problem, the batt. in most of these big hp machines are to small IE. 225 CCA, SB 355 or more! when U trouble shoot elec. problems, ISOLATE< ISOLATE< ISOLATE! 1 item at a time!

[old piddler]

You guys were right from the beginning, I fretted over a couple switches that ment nothing as far as starting. I left the seat switch unhooked, found out the one hanging below the ignition switch is the reverse indicator, I cleaned up the battery terminals and cables, made sure everything was tight on starter and now it starts like a new one. I even got the deck off and cleaned a ton of compost out of that, finding out the blades are as good as new without even a nick. I will get all that cleaned and painted soon. Fellows I was the nut between the steering wheel and the seat but it was a productive day.You were right about that switch Dave, thats ecactly what it was.