Justin106

[cubcadet]

Originally Posted by Alvy

You're a good person Maxwell, your wisdom and words are appreciated. Sometimes looking deeper than just the surface in instances like this is what needs to happen.

He does appear to be well spoken for his age and able to stick up for himself as he feels necessary. I agree that this site needs to be monitored and policed although I do think that it's a little overboard sometimes. Practicing tough love has it's place but the power and authority along with throwing out the "this person'a forgotten more than you could know" and "you have no idea what you're talking about" sends a teenager through the roof when all they are doing is trying to prove themselves to others in life and develop their own way. It takes time and practice to be confident in your abilities, as well as others to guide and steer in the right direction. I will say that I've noticed the forum transitioning more towards the rule with an iron fist method but let's not ever forget that all of is here, no matter how much we think that we are experts or have it all figured out, were all young once and hopefully have learned from our mistakes and it depends on how we were shown.

Very well said Mike.

[RedHawCadet]

I agree, respect is a two way street. I'm 32 and grew up playing video games that's a lame copout for the deteriation of a generation poor parenting and a society aimed at doing nothing to help future generations is far more to blame. No disrespect just had to give my input.

[Leadslingingdaddy]

There are a couple of sayings...

The older I got, the smarter he was.....

And be brief, be brilliant, be gone....

[64fleetside]

Personally, I'd be tickled if my 15 y/o was interested in anything besides video games.

[biglefty]

I joined this site to get expert trusted advice & that's what I got so far. I applaud your decision . Thanks

[j4c11]

This is going to seem a little off the wall but the biggest breakthrough for me in understanding others came from a documentary on dogs on NG. Part of the documentary dealt with an experiment going on in Siberia with silver foxes. Scientists went through a process of selecting the tamest silver foxes each generation and breeding them. They did the same with the most aggressive. After 7 generations, the tame foxes were like dogs, friendly, followed you around, basically pets. The aggressive ones you couldn't get near, they appeared rabid although they were not and wanted to tear you apart. And then someone had a brilliant idea. What would happen if we took one of the aggressive cubs at birth and placed it with a tame mother and other tame pups? Would it grow up tame like it sees its mother and the other cubs behave around it , or would it grow up aggressive? Well it grew up , killed all of it's siblings, eventually it's surrogate mother, and proceeded to act like a rabid fox.

Moral of the story is, even though we live in a society with norms, go to school, grow up around others and learn behavior, there are certain personality characteristics that are ingrained in our genetic makeup. Some people are more aggressive than others, some people are more confrontational, some people cannot stand being wrong, some people are arrogant. It is not who they choose to be, it is who they are, and we must accept them for it. On the other hand, people must also learn that not all behavior, ingrained or not, is acceptable in a community. Preferably sooner rather than later. Preferably by reason rather than pavlovian conditioning. Hopefully when he gets past the anger and pride there will be a valuable lesson in all this for him to learn.

[Shrewcub]

I just read through all 3 threads and did NOT see anyone call him stupid. The only person who called him stupid was himself. Implied ignorance, maybe, but at 16 that is a given. I will say at 37, I am just now coming to realize that huge amount of ignorance I still have.

[DoubleO7]

Originally Posted by j4c11

This is going to seem a little off the wall but the biggest breakthrough for me in understanding others came from a documentary on dogs on NG. Part of the documentary dealt with an experiment going on in Siberia with silver foxes. Scientists went through a process of selecting the tamest silver foxes each generation and breeding them. They did the same with the most aggressive. After 7 generations, the tame foxes were like dogs, friendly, followed you around, basically pets. The aggressive ones you couldn't get near, they appeared rabid although they were not and wanted to tear you apart. And then someone had a brilliant idea. What would happen if we took one of the aggressive cubs at birth and placed it with a tame mother and other tame pups? Would it grow up tame like it sees its mother and the other cubs behave around it , or would it grow up aggressive? Well it grew up , killed all of it's siblings, eventually it's surrogate mother, and proceeded to act like a rabid fox.

That has to be B.S. and fantasy.
Ask any Pitbull owner and they will tell you it is their owners who are responsible for their Pitbull being aggressive or not.

[Sam Mac]

Guys

I'll try to have a phone conversation with Justin and see if we can put this issue to bed. As long as he will play nice I'll drop the ban.

[j4c11]

Originally Posted by DoubleO7

That has to be B.S. and fantasy.
Ask any Pitbull owner and they will tell you it is their owners who are responsible for their Pitbull being aggressive or not.

I will take a scientific experiment that went on for 50 years under controlled conditions over the personal opinion based on anecdotal evidence of an owner that's emotionally attached to their animal. If you're interested in the scientific data, look up the Belyaev experiment, hundreds of articles on it.