The Haunted 129 -_-

[adamo]

Originally Posted by Alvy

Sounds like a ground issue. Your model has the battery under the seat with a short negative cable attached to the frame. The engine is solid mounted to the frame so the frame is essentially the ground path. When it "clicks", what is your voltage across the battery? Also, what is the voltage at the A terminal of your generator? If both are good, Put a jumper cable on battery negative and the other end on the case of the generator. See if it cranks.

Edit: Tim beat me!

Ok. I checked the voltage at the A terminal starter generator when I turn the key and it is just over 12v. I cleaned the ground at the starter generator. I did put a jumper cable on the bat neg and the other on the generator and it did not crank still. Still just a click. I also attached jumpers from the batt negative terminal to the frame, and then again to the engine block- still just a click.

[Yosemite Sam]

Through all the chatter in this thread I've lost track of what's been done and not.

In order to find your problem you need to find out where the electricical gets to and where it doesn't.

One prong of your meter on the bat + and the other to a good clean bare spot, not rust, not paint on the S/G, should have 12+v. If you do not have 12+v then you have no ground.

If you have 12+v from the bat + to the S/G, then one prong from your meter to bat- and the other to the hot side of the solenoid. Then to the little wire on the solenoid (with the key turned to the start position). Then just follow the same path that the electricical flows through until you find the dead spot.

If you fart around jumping from one thing to another, you have created nothing more than a guessing game and may never find out where the problem is.

[budscub]

I believe you need to check real well the wire from the solenoid to the starter generator. Based only on what has been said in this thread and what troubleshooting you have done, it sounds as if the system is functioning. I suspect that you have a bad wire or termination on the wire that is carrying voltage but no amperage. Put your red booster cable on the generator side of the solenoid and the other end on the same post of the starter generator, hit the key and see if it will crank.
As J mech said if you could post a picture of the solenoid and how it is wired that would help a lot.

[adamo]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Through all the chatter in this thread I've lost track of what's been done and not.

In order to find your problem you need to find out where the electricical gets to and where it doesn't.

One prong of your meter on the bat + and the other to a good clean bare spot, not rust, not paint on the S/G, should have 12+v. If you do not have 12+v then you have no ground.

If you have 12+v from the bat + to the S/G, then one prong from your meter to bat- and the other to the hot side of the solenoid. Then to the little wire on the solenoid (with the key turned to the start position). Then just follow the same path that the electricical flows through until you find the dead spot.

If you fart around jumping from one thing to another, you have created nothing more than a guessing game and may never find out where the problem is.

Thank you. I may have found something (not sure however). The little terminal on the solenoid is only getting to 10.8v when I crank it. The solenoid is clicking when I turn the key. Also when I jump the two main posts on the solenoid I still only get the click. I am getting 12v+ everywhere else. Does that mean I have a bad ground at the solenoid even though I have 12v at the two main posts of the solenoid? And if so, how do I better ground a brand new solenoid? It's already mounted directly to the wall.

[adamo]

Originally Posted by budscub

I believe you need to check real well the wire from the solenoid to the starter generator. Based only on what has been said in this thread and what troubleshooting you have done, it sounds as if the system is functioning. I suspect that you have a bad wire or termination on the wire that is carrying voltage but no amperage. Put your red booster cable on the generator side of the solenoid and the other end on the same post of the starter generator, hit the key and see if it will crank.
As J mech said if you could post a picture of the solenoid and how it is wired that would help a lot.

Ok= will try tomorrow. Will post pic tonight of what I have. Can take more pics tomorrow.

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by adamo

Thank you. I may have found something (not sure however). The little terminal on the solenoid is only getting to 10.8v when I crank it. The solenoid is clicking when I turn the key. Also when I jump the two main posts on the solenoid I still only get the click. I am getting 12v+ everywhere else. Does that mean I have a bad ground at the solenoid even though I have 12v at the two main posts of the solenoid? And if so, how do I better ground a brand new solenoid? It's already mounted directly to the wall.

If you jump across the two big posts of the solenoid and get a click, then something is very wrong. The solenoid shouldn't click when those two posts are jumped. Are you sure this clicking noise you hear is coming from the solenoid and not the starter? The motor is free right? You can turn it by hand?


There isn't a simpler starting system in the world than this system. The solenoid is just another switch that lets power go to the starter. Is that "switch" letting 12V go to the starter when you hold the key in the start position, yes or no?

[adamo]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

If you jump across the two big posts of the solenoid and get a click, then something is very wrong. The solenoid shouldn't click when those two posts are jumped. Are you sure this clicking noise you hear is coming from the solenoid and not the starter? The motor is free right? You can turn it by hand?


There isn't a simpler starting system in the world than this system. The solenoid is just another switch that lets power go to the starter. Is that "switch" letting 12V go to the starter when you hold the key in the start position, yes or no?

Yes. Same click sound. I think it is the solenoid activating but not positive. Yes I have 12v going to the other post of the solenoid when I turn the key. Also when I jump the small terminal with the battery lead post of the solenoid I get a click as well. The engine is free. I'm positive it is not the starter/gen. When I attach the starter generator to a battery directly ( after disconnecting the A and F terminal leads to the tractor) It turns and spins the motor.

[adamo]

If I did this right here are a couple of photos of the solenoid that some asked me to post. I took these earlier, but I realize that I need to get better pics in the daylight. Other pics I took were too blurry.

[budscub]

When you said you jumped the big post do you mean from one large post to the other? That should not produce a click. if so you definitely have something wired up incorrectly. What should happen when you jump the big post to one another the starter should turn. I have on occasion had to jump across those two big post with an old screwdriver to get one started and back to the house,
You will have fire fly when you do this however. if it doesn't turn over by doing this then, that should only leave faulty cables, unless your wiring connections are really screwed up.

If you choose to jump the large post, you will want to use an old screw driver. it will burn the tip. And don't use a small wire it will burn you,

[adamo]

Originally Posted by budscub

When you said you jumped the big post do you mean from one large post to the other? That should not produce a click. if so you definitely have something wired up incorrectly. What should happen when you jump the big post to one another the starter should turn. I have on occasion had to jump across those two big post with an old screwdriver to get one started and back to the house,
You will have fire fly when you do this however. if it doesn't turn over by doing this then, that should only leave faulty cables, unless your wiring connections are really screwed up.

If you choose to jump the large post, you will want to use an old screw driver. it will burn the tip. And don't use a small wire it will burn you,

Gotchya. No I did not hear a click until I jumped the post with a screw driver and then turned the key. Just touching the two large posts together with the screw driver by itself did not produce a click. I did get a click sound when I jumped (with a screw driver) from the small post to the larger solenoid post connected to the lead from the battery.