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Gompers · #31 10-02-2018, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ihcc1

OK, I'll be the dummy in the crowd.

What makes a garden tractor a SUPER garden tractor. I was told my 2082 (with 3 point) was a SUPER but never knew why. Other than it was large compared to my Dads 1811.

They are bigger. They have a 5” or so longer frame. That’s about 90% of it. They are somewhere between a SCUT and a GT.

Gompers · #32 10-02-2018, 09:17 PM

Diagnosis:
2 blown head gaskets and a lot of carbon built up. Must have been run that way for a while. Cylinders still have cross hatch in them so that’s promising at least

Gompers · #33 10-02-2018, 10:07 PM

Here's some of the carnage. I don't know if I've ever seen a head/cylinder/piston this dirty before. There was a HUGE hole in the head gasket though. It was basically gone on both sides. Also, a couple of the head bolts were basically finger tight. Not sure which came first, but neither one is good.

Someone mentioned improved head gaskets for these. I can't seem to find anything other than what these look like. None with fire rings. Those are just for the CH25 and bigger it seems. I get P/N KH-24-841-01-S from everything I can find and nothing that's been superseded.

ccpullin · #34 10-03-2018, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gompers

Haha I miss out on my fair share too. Missed a $30 #2 cart the other day. And missed a $400 982 earlier this year too.

I think us collectors (hoarders) around central Iowa (that includes you too Terry) need to get together some day and brag about what we have stole out from under each other through out the years.

I know there is still someone (maybe more than one) hiding in the bushes that has not come forward yet! They snagged a 2082 from Pleasant Hill and a cart from Ankeny, both off of Craig's List recently.

ccpullin · #35 10-03-2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gompers

Diagnosis:
2 blown head gaskets and a lot of carbon built up. Must have been run that way for a while. Cylinders still have cross hatch in them so that’s promising at least

That is where they typically blow, right at the oil return passage and suck the oil right in to the cylinder. What a mess! It's worth trying head gaskets first to see how she runs and condition of the hydro. Be sure and true the head surface. I use a thick piece of glass on a rug with 600 sand paper wet, going in a figure 8 motion until all of the surface is true. Typically they are warped in the head bolt area usually .004 to .008. I also spray brake clean in the ports and watch around the valves to see if they are sealing (brake clean will leak through where water wont).

Gompers · #36 10-03-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ccpullin

That is where they typically blow, right at the oil return passage and suck the oil right in to the cylinder. What a mess! It's worth trying head gaskets first to see how she runs and condition of the hydro. Be sure and true the head surface. I use a thick piece of glass on a rug with 600 sand paper wet, going in a figure 8 motion until all of the surface is true. Typically they are warped in the head bolt area usually .004 to .008. I also spray brake clean in the ports and watch around the valves to see if they are sealing (brake clean will leak through where water wont).

Yeah was planning on truing up the heads. Probably tear them the rest of the way down and take a look at the margins, seats and guides while I have them this far down. One of the heads was missing an exhaust stud too, so I'll have to see what's going on there.

Appreciate the advice! This is the first CH I've torn into. Not too bad of a job so far.

J-Mech · #37 10-03-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gompers

They are bigger. They have a 5” or so longer frame. That’s about 90% of it. They are somewhere between a SCUT and a GT.

It's 7".
For all practical purposes a SGT is the same as a SCUT, but not as heavy. The SGT's were pre SCUT and were still a lawn mower, not a baby tractor like a SCUT.

CubCadets · #38 10-03-2018, 10:41 AM

It's actually 5.75". I believe the rest of the length comes from the front axle.

Sam Mac · #39 10-03-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

It's 7".
For all practical purposes a SGT is the same as a SCUT, but not as heavy. The SGT's were pre SCUT and were still a lawn mower, not a baby tractor like a SCUT.

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Originally Posted by CubCadets

It's actually 5.75". I believe the rest of the length comes from the front axle.

Your both wrong, the over all length of a Cyclops GT is 72" the Cyclops Supers are 78.5 so it's 6.5 inch's

CubCadets · #40 10-03-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

Your both wrong, the over all length of a Cyclops GT is 72" the Cyclops Supers are 78.5 so it's 6.5 inch's

That's interesting. On my 1772 frame there is 2 sets of axle mounting holes 5.75" apart. I read on the wonderful internet one time that the forward set was the same as on a gt.

If you are measuring from the front of the hood to the rear of the tires 6.5" would be fairly close if you forgot to factor in the larger tires.

On the other hand if you got a good measurement from the hood to the fenders on each one, that would be tough to argue with.

I don't personally have a super and a gt in the same series to measure like that.