2002 Cub Cadet 7264 tractor - Page 4

J-Mech · #31 03-15-2017, 11:20 AM

If Warner won't help you out, I think you could find someone to rewind the coil for you.

You don't have it fully disassembled in your pics, but it looks to me like the thrust bearing failed and the heavy backing plate wore into the coil.
You should be able to find clutch frictions and steels through a good transmission shop... If you can't find someone to work with you, I can put you in contact with a guy who will help. The backing plate may be able to be made, but it may not even be bad. Depends how that thrust bearing wore into it. I'd like to see some better pics of the backing plate and clutch disassembled. Looks like maybe it had too much pre-load applied to that small thrust bearing, or they had a lube issue going to it.

I've literally been into hundreds of tractor and automatic transmissions.... I'd take a crack at fixing that thing. You did the hard part honestly... and that was disassembling it to get to it!

I'd say that there was such an issue with these things that MTD got tired of working on them. It wasn't that there wasn't money in selling a clutch, it was just they literally didn't want to deal with their mistake.... all they had to do was say, "Oh, we're sorry, they no longer make that part." and boom. No more repairs on that machine. "Here, we'll trade it in for you on a brand new piece of sh!t!!"

Nice job on all the work Sam!

J-Mech · #32 03-15-2017, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

Honestly I would put it back together and trade it in for a John Deere or a Kubota. The Cub SCUT's just are not worth the aggravation. Sorry but it is what it is.

After everything I said..... I agree that this is probably what you need to do.

fresno99 · #33 03-15-2017, 01:37 PM

Sent information to Warner. Waiting for reply on if they can help me with replacement parts.

Sam Mac · #34 03-15-2017, 03:32 PM

You may need to ask for tech service at Warner. I got a secretary yesterday and she was not very helpful. Keep us posted on how you make out.

LiamD · #35 03-15-2017, 04:41 PM

Jonathon,

I believe you hit the nail on head with no longer available. Just buy a new one and your problems are over.

Mike

fresno99 · #36 03-21-2017, 12:35 PM

Update on my pto problem. Thanks to Sam Mac I contracted Warner Electric and the whole pto clutch was discontinued several years ago and they scraped all the leftover parts. However they are going to be able to mill out the old coil housing and put me a new coil in. Warner also sent me the drawing with the bearing numbers and Jay at Waterman Farm Machinery said he can get me the bearing. So I shipped my old coil yesterday to Warner so hopefully I will get it back in a couple of weeks ready to be put all back together. Hopefully it will last but I might just be rebuilding the problem pto clutch again. Thanks again for all the help. I will update again later.

john hall · #37 03-21-2017, 01:18 PM

Glad to hear progress is being made! I like your attitude as well.

The founder of the company I work for used to preach to me quite often
"Never take no for an answer. Take no, no, no." The only trick to using that philosophy is being able to come up with alternate solutions.

J-Mech · #38 03-21-2017, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fresno99

Update on my pto problem. Thanks to Sam Mac I contracted Warner Electric and the whole pto clutch was discontinued several years ago and they scraped all the leftover parts. However they are going to be able to mill out the old coil housing and put me a new coil in. Warner also sent me the drawing with the bearing numbers and Jay at Waterman Farm Machinery said he can get me the bearing. So I shipped my old coil yesterday to Warner so hopefully I will get it back in a couple of weeks ready to be put all back together. Hopefully it will last but I might just be rebuilding the problem pto clutch again. Thanks again for all the help. I will update again later.

In my opinion, if you don't identify what is making the whole set up fail, then once you fix it, I'd still suggest trading it off. It is a known issue and apparently there aren't many tractors out there that weren't affected. If you can identify the cause of the failure and fix it, then it would be worth doing. Right now, all I think you are doing is throwing good money after bad if you intend to keep the machine. FWIW, from what I saw it looks like either a lack of lubrication to the thrust bearing, poor size/poor matierial thrust bearing, or too much pre-load applied. Could even be that there wasn't enough pre load applied and the bearing was always slamming into itself and destroyed parts. I don't have the parts to look at it....... but I am just going to state again that unless you know the reason of the failure.... trade it off once you fix it.

Your tractor, your money, and your time...

Sam Mac · #39 03-21-2017, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fresno99

Update on my pto problem. Thanks to Sam Mac I contracted Warner Electric and the whole pto clutch was discontinued several years ago and they scraped all the leftover parts. However they are going to be able to mill out the old coil housing and put me a new coil in. Warner also sent me the drawing with the bearing numbers and Jay at Waterman Farm Machinery said he can get me the bearing. So I shipped my old coil yesterday to Warner so hopefully I will get it back in a couple of weeks ready to be put all back together. Hopefully it will last but I might just be rebuilding the problem pto clutch again. Thanks again for all the help. I will update again later.

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

In my opinion, if you don't identify what is making the whole set up fail, then once you fix it, I'd still suggest trading it off. It is a known issue and apparently there aren't many tractors out there that weren't affected. If you can identify the cause of the failure and fix it, then it would be worth doing. Right now, all I think you are doing is throwing good money after bad if you intend to keep the machine. FWIW, from what I saw it looks like either a lack of lubrication to the thrust bearing, poor size/poor matierial thrust bearing, or too much pre-load applied. Could even be that there wasn't enough pre load applied and the bearing was always slamming into itself and destroyed parts. I don't have the parts to look at it....... but I am just going to state again that unless you know the reason of the failure.... trade it off once you fix it.

Your tractor, your money, and your time...

Glad to have been able to help. I have to agree with J-Mech on this one. Assuming that you are successful in getting to function I would trade it in on something that is more reliable. Looking at it from the pics you posted it looks like a poor design.

fresno99 · #40 03-24-2017, 02:24 PM

I asked the guy from Warner Electric if he knew why these seem to have failed. Here is his answer:

Ronnie, I don’t know the history on this application, but I do remember hearing that if the oil level / or grade was incorrect the transmission could over heat and that would affect the coil life as well as bearing life.

Sounds like something Cub should have fixed.