Problems plowing - Page 4

Wild Bill · #31 04-30-2015, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

I'm sorry Wild Bill, but I disagree with most of your advice....

I've pulled a plow longer than 10 years, and more than one bottom. From one to six bottoms. Spent a lot of time pulling a disk too. Your advice to keep the gangs straight is way off. It's not a cutter, it's a disk. It won't "slice" anything with straight gangs. They have to be angled. Matter of fact, the Brinly disks wont' angle enough to do a good job.

On the cutter..... it's job is too cut the sod so that it leaves a nice furrow edge. It has nothing to do with keeping the shin from wearing. No need to move it up on the first pass, then down on the third... I don't even know where you came up with that. In sod, the cutter needs to go deep enough to cut the rood wad. Maybe 2" deep. Only thing I don't like about most of the Brinly's is you can't adjust it left and right. I'm going to mod one so I can.

Disagree all you want.

Brinly implements are not farm implements...they are way lighter, and don't pull themselves into the ground because of their weight.

Unless you weight the hell out of a Brinly disk (especially a single gang) it WILL NOT CUT, especially on freshly plowed sod! Even when a Brinly is 'straight', it is angled. If you hook 2 single Brinlys together, and angle both of them as much as you can, they pivot in the middle and will wiggle and walk all over top of the plowed sod....(and yes, I know what is the correct way the disks should be going for the front and the rear gangs) First hand experience showed me that..(tried setting it up like my big disk)..so like I said, disagree all you want.

My comments about the coulter wheel came from my IH plow manual.....but what did IH ever know about how to make a plow work....... You are supposed to adjust the coulter so it cuts just to the left side of the lead edge of the shin, to cut trash and to help keep from wearing out the shin (added benefit is the landside of the furrow is smooth). IH Super Chief plows have replaceable shins.

Tough ground/sod/ground that hasn't been plowed for YEARS, if ever...a Brinly plow either won't 'suck in', or will walk itself up/out of the ground. Seen that first hand at a Cub Cadet plow day. The ground was a rock hard hay field. The first tractor to make a pass was a 169 with a 10" Brinly...looked terrible he had a boat load of point cranked into the plow, it would go in...for a foot, then pop up and down like a sewing machine. I was the second tractor to make a pass, I had my 12" plow set up like I have described, and had NO PROBLEM. Guys were cutting in line, to plow behind me because of the nice/smooth furrow they could drive in. I was behind a guy with a JD 420 with Cat 0 12" Brinly on the back....I had my 1450 with a sleeve hitch 12" Brinly (everyone else there had an 8" or 10") Several times I had to stop and wait on him, because he jumped the previous furrow/got hung up, etc. I asked him if he wanted me to to push him through the field. The JD owner put somebody else on the tractor, and on the next pass he ran and jumped on my plow to try to bury it, and get me hung up...I just hit the hydro handle almost dumping him off, and finished the pass with him still on the plow. I was plowing so deep the guy behind me got hung up because the center of his transaxle was dragging. A couple of passes I was behind a guy with a 782 with a 10" Brinly....more than once had to come to a stop, and wait on him backing up and slamming forward/stuck. The JD is a 20+ hp tractor, and the 782 is 17hp... The 14hp -single cylinder- was tired,and the throttle shaft needed a bushing, and I didn't have a problem with a 12" plow, but hey, what do I know.............

I've been around the block a few times dude. When I plow a garden it is a piece of cake, and the end result is smooth/level. I've had a 10 year old kid plowing on that 1450, and even had my 78 year old Dad, 74 year old Mom, and my sister, and my wife, plow with the 1450 and my 1712, they all said it was fun and easy....and the results are always the same.

I would gladly post pictures to back up my statements, but they were lost when the computer died... either a virus. a hacker, or whatever. Happened right after all of my posts and threads got deleted on OCC.

Don't know why you're trying to bust my chops, but it ain't gonna fly with me.

J-Mech · #32 04-30-2015, 02:07 AM

Never had any issues setting up my plows either.

Yeah, I'm pretty aware Brinly's aren't farm implements.

I've pulled Brinly tandems, I'm aware of how the act in the dirt.

I've plowed sod with Brinly's. Hard to pull: Yes. My plow went in, left nice furrows.

I'm aware that bigger plows have replaceable shins.

Not "busting your chops". Made it clear I disagreed with you, apparently we hold differing views..... I just think you make it too complicated. Do whatever works for you, I'm not going to debate it anymore. Sounds like you know how to plow and what works for you. So do I, apparently we do it differently with the same result.

Vin122 · #33 04-30-2015, 10:58 AM

You guys crack me up - thanks for the humor!

o---o I think its about time you start your disking adventure! Go slow and have fun, after all its seat time on your Cub Cadet, disc it straight with the plow furrows, at an angle, at another angle, and in both directions. Tomorrow do the same, maybe the same for the next couple days too.

True story - a few years ago I plowed my sod for a garden patch, 1st gear with my 122 and I either could no keep the front end on the ground or I spun out - so I hooked another cub to the 122 via a chain and my son helped me. The neighbor saw me as asked if I'd plow a spot for him, same hard sod plowing issue. And my results looked like yours or worse for both mine and his. After disking mine a couple times I brought out the tiller and proceeded to have a beautiful garden spot. My neighbors was not so nice, the soil was not the same just a few hundred feet or yards away from mine. I was amazed at how hard his soil worked up - and mine was definitely not easy. The next year I did the same plus I plowed, disked and roto-tilled another neighbors, found many rocks at this new spot and it was another not so fun experience. At a 4th of July party she proceeded to tell me how crappy her garden was and it was my fault - I've never plowed a neighbors garden since...

Point of my story is what woks for one might not work so well for others.

FYI - your 10.5 AGs are really nice - I still have my money back guarantee for ya, lol Oh - and you have 4 more inches of flotation for disking with these 10.5s versus 8.5s

drglinski · #34 04-30-2015, 04:36 PM

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jimbob200521 · #35 04-30-2015, 04:56 PM

Just stopping in, I have never seen a disk (set up correctly) that had the gangs straight on. Always angled, always. Doesn't do any good having them straight. This is what a lifetime growing up on a small farm and working on a 2000+acre farm has taught me. I've run single gang GT size disk's, 6-8ft 3pt disks, and 40'+ on big boy machines, none of which had the gangs "straight". Just saying.

Also just saying do what works for you, but that doesn't mean it'll work for the rest of the world. It also doesn't mean it's the accepted and practiced way to do things.

Ok, now back into the shadows I go.

ol'George · #36 04-30-2015, 05:11 PM

Many years ago my neighbor comes over and asks me to plow his
"garden"
Now this is an old cantankerous polish fellow that would not take no for an answer.
I was young and obliging so over I go with my "little" JD 70 and 4-14" trailer plow.
He points to a "C" shaped plot maybe 20'x40' encased by hedge bushes on 3 sides.
I shut off the tractor and explain there is no way this piece of equipment can do that,and that he needs a little rototiller.
No!! he says,I want it plowed and just back it up into it and do it.
I say you need a fellow with a little ford 8N with a mounted 2 bottom 12 or14" plow.
Poor guy just didn't understand.
So I go to one of my other neighbors farther down the street, talk to him and he goes over and plows it with his little 8N and disks it too.
Till the day old guy died he didn't understand why I wouldn't plow his garden.

Wild Bill · #37 04-30-2015, 07:12 PM

LOL

Like I said, even when a Brinly disk is set 'straight', it IS NOT truly straight. Obviously, the beams aren't wide enough to allow that much adjustment. It should also be obvious that a totally straight disk, won't do you any good.

ol' George: That's funny!

Vin122 · #38 05-01-2015, 09:00 AM

When I said straight straight I really meant disk following the furrow then zig zag etc. As you guys are saying the brinly will not allow the disks to be straight nor it should.

Ol'george that is funny!

o---o · #39 05-01-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob200521

Just stopping in, I have never seen a disk (set up correctly) that had the gangs straight on. Always angled, always. Doesn't do any good having them straight. This is what a lifetime growing up on a small farm and working on a 2000+acre farm has taught me. I've run single gang GT size disk's, 6-8ft 3pt disks, and 40'+ on big boy machines, none of which had the gangs "straight". Just saying.

Also just saying do what works for you, but that doesn't mean it'll work for the rest of the world. It also doesn't mean it's the accepted and practiced way to do things.

Ok, now back into the shadows I go.

When I was a kid I worked at the farm up the road, and at the time they farmed around 3,500 acres, had 120 dairy cows, around 200 beef cows, and a couple thousand hogs. I pulled their disc, v ripper, and tilloll with an old Steiger and with the big Cummins and 20 speed transmission it was a real blast for a 14 year to drive lol. That's what I'm used to, and this mini-size equipment isn't any where the close to the same.

Terry C · #40 05-01-2015, 01:32 PM

When my dad first bought his own farm I was about 5 or 6yrs old. We were out plowing up a hay field when my grandfather came over to visit. I could see my grandfather walking toward us, when he got there he told my dad to get off the tractor and began to tell him how he was doing it wrong. He made some adjustments to the plow, I was too little to know what. It was still fun to watch my dad get scolded like my dad did to me.