HDS 2135 ground speed? - Page 4

yardiron · #31 05-10-2019, 09:23 AM

I go the 2185, its definitely a Briggs Vanguard 18hp in it. The model number is 134-288-100, serial number is 239223. Its complete but with a rusted out deck. The deck is rusted all along the right front from the middle to the chute.
Its got 4 lug 12" wheels. and 8" front wheels. Does the 2135 and the 2185 use the same transmission?
The original 2135 I picked up is in a lot cleaner shape, I'm thinking of just swapping the larger wheels over to the 2135. I'd put the motor on the shelf and part out the rest of the 2185. I was told its got a bad hydro trans. It moves around fine but I've not put it under any load or run it long enough to really know what's up with it.
Step one will be to take the pressure washer to it, its covered in grass clippings and mud, I can barely see the transmission and the engine is covered in grease and dust. Its showing 339 hours on it.

Sam Mac · #32 05-10-2019, 09:29 AM

2185 is Kohler powered.

http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-trac...adet-2185.html

Alvy · #33 05-10-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

2185 is Kohler powered.

http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-trac...adet-2185.html

What we said, see post #28 as well. But........your model does designate it as a 2185. I had a 2165 for a while that had the 16 Vanguard B and S in it. Let’s see some pics, maybe has had a heart transplant? Or data is wrong and there were multiple engines available?

Sam did Briggs make an 18 vanguard?

Sam Mac · #34 05-10-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvy

What we said, see post #28 as well. But........your model does designate it as a 2185. I had a 2165 for a while that had the 16 Vanguard B and S in it. Let’s see some pics, maybe has had a heart transplant? Or data is wrong and there were multiple engines available?

Sam did Briggs make an 18 vanguard?

Yep. I'm guessing that the OP doesn't know a B&S from a Kohler. This thread makes my head hurt.

yardiron · #35 05-10-2019, 02:01 PM

The engine says Cub Cadet/mtd 18 hp V-Twin in gold and blue on top of the air cleaner. Its definitely is a Briggs engine. I can make out the model number but not the other numbers on the one valve cover, 356447-0304 but I can't make out the rest of the number. It doesn't look like the engine has been changed anytime recently but it is over 20 years old. Anything is possible I suppose. With the thought that the air cleaner says Cub Cadet on it, maybe it came from another model CC?

I took a pressure washer to the 2185 this morning, it took two hours of blasting and scrubbing to get it clean. I blasted the trans clean top and bottom and pulled the engine shroud back and blew out all the fins as well.

I hitched it up to a yard trailer with a load of dirt and ran it up and down a hill here about a dozen times and what I found was that as the trans gets hot, it starts getting noisy, it starts making a ratcheting sound under load but it takes a lot to get it to that point. Maybe a fluid change would help? When it starts making noise it sounds like gears stripping but it keeps moving regardless of the noise. When it first starts, raising the throttle a bit stops the noise but it eventually gets to where there's no more throttle to increase.

yardiron · #36 05-10-2019, 04:18 PM

Looks like a Briggs & Stratton Vanguard to me?
I'm leaning towards it being swapped out of another machine but the hours are kind of low for this to have had a motor swap unless someone killed the original motor early.
Isn't there also wiring differences between Briggs and Kohler? I don't see any obvious wiring modifications?

Since the 2185 has trans issues, can I just swap this engine and the wheels over to the 2135? Of course, I don't really think another few hp would make much difference for what I'll be using it for. The V twin is a lot quieter though.

Sam Mac · #37 05-10-2019, 04:29 PM

Well it looks like someone repowered it with a Vanguard.

Ozcub · #38 05-10-2019, 06:51 PM

The throttle damper was inboard of the pedal under the running board not down the back
It used a short gas strut
All 2000 series had either Kohler or Onan according to brochures from MTD
Onans in non-hydro models
Oz

yardiron · #39 05-10-2019, 08:24 PM

When they get this old its hard to tell what's been done in the past.
Since the a/f cover reads Cub Cadet, chances are they took it from another machine that did use the 18hp Vanguard.

Is the crank shaft height the same on the Vanguard and the 12.5hp Kohler?

I looked at a few 2165's online that have the Vanguard, so if its not a repower, its not a real stretch to think they could have used a BS motor in some of these if supplies got short.

I've yet to see one with a Kohler twin or an Onan yet.

Alvy · #40 05-10-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozcubowner

The throttle damper was inboard of the pedal under the running board not down the back
It used a short gas strut
All 2000 series had either Kohler or Onan according to brochures from MTD
Onans in non-hydro models
Oz

My 2165 definitely had a Briggs Vanguard 16 from the factory. I’m thinking the OP may be right about it being a factory engine even though it states it’s a Kohler. Would like to hear from anyone else that has a 2185 and what engine they have as I have found tractor data to be wrong once in a while too.