Chat room drama

[IH_147]

Ha your a good guy sam night

[jdonovan]

Joh Hand could not have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by Hand_108

Been sitting back thinking hard about this "drama". You all know what? YOU ARE TO BLAME!!! I am not defending the banned individual one bit, but take a look at yourselves. The only reason the "drama" took place was because your chest is all pumped out and your playing keyboard commando. There would be NO "drama" if you kept your mouth shut or did not post at all (to that thread). There are many many many good members here. Some of them, their choice of words or how they word things, is to blame and makes them look bad. All you had to do was read the post, then, not respond. But some of you, your heads are so swelled, your mouth/fingers/brains do not work together. I do not know how many times I have written a post, reread it before posting, deleated it and moved on. The information on this site is to valuable not to be able to ask questions at times, so I usually keep my mouth shut. This time I cannot. I am ashamed and discusted to be a member of this site with some of you. Yes I know everyones personality is different but common, use some common sense. The person that was at the "root of the drama" was supposedly "16". You all let a 16 year old "ruffle your feathers"? You are no better. The questions, ideas, suggestions may have been "dumb" in your eyes, but for them, it was an idea, question, suggestion. You do not have to respond, but you do. Then when the person retaliates you cut them down more. When you could keep your trap shut and move on. But you do not do so. Then all of a sudden it is "drama". Boohoo. Waaaa. "I want my cake and eat it too. I am an administrator of this site, im a senior member of this site. I do this, I know that". I could care less what any of you think of ME. You are not my Dad/Mom, Husband/Wife, Brother/Sister, child, Aunt/Uncle etc. And personally, I do not care what they think of me either. I personally think any of you that posted anything negative in the threads of the "banned" needs a 90 suspension. You are the root. Sit back and reflect on yourself for a couple months. Think about how YOU want to be treated. Figure out how to "self edit" yourself. Learn how to pass over a post and not comment. Maybe there will not be "drama". You bring it on yourself. Then the "good'ole boy system" comes into effect. Not even going there. Most of you know what I mean.
Yes, I have spent an hour or more writing this. Self editing. Rewriting things to be more polite. Yes, I could pass over this thread, but I finally feel some of you (insert many words of profanity that you wish) need to be called out. Your comments, attitudes, and posts (degrating to thread starter) need to STOP!!!! Shut your mouth and move on!!!

Time for me to take a break from this site for awhile too. I get pleny bent and hot reading some of the comments at times.

Take this as you will. Like I said, I can care less what YOU think. But 1 person cannot cause drama. It takes a group to cause drama. A group like YOU.

Take care.
Joh Hand

PS. Ban me too if you do not like what I say.

[red56turbo]

Originally Posted by Hand_108

Been sitting back thinking hard about this "drama". You all know what? YOU ARE TO BLAME!!! I am not defending the banned individual one bit, but take a look at yourselves. The only reason the "drama" took place was because your chest is all pumped out and your playing keyboard commando. There would be NO "drama" if you kept your mouth shut or did not post at all (to that thread). There are many many many good members here. Some of them, their choice of words or how they word things, is to blame and makes them look bad. All you had to do was read the post, then, not respond. But some of you, your heads are so swelled, your mouth/fingers/brains do not work together. I do not know how many times I have written a post, reread it before posting, deleated it and moved on. The information on this site is to valuable not to be able to ask questions at times, so I usually keep my mouth shut. This time I cannot. I am ashamed and discusted to be a member of this site with some of you. Yes I know everyones personality is different but common, use some common sense. The person that was at the "root of the drama" was supposedly "16". You all let a 16 year old "ruffle your feathers"? You are no better. The questions, ideas, suggestions may have been "dumb" in your eyes, but for them, it was an idea, question, suggestion. You do not have to respond, but you do. Then when the person retaliates you cut them down more. When you could keep your trap shut and move on. But you do not do so. Then all of a sudden it is "drama". Boohoo. Waaaa. "I want my cake and eat it too. I am an administrator of this site, im a senior member of this site. I do this, I know that". I could care less what any of you think of ME. You are not my Dad/Mom, Husband/Wife, Brother/Sister, child, Aunt/Uncle etc. And personally, I do not care what they think of me either. I personally think any of you that posted anything negative in the threads of the "banned" needs a 90 suspension. You are the root. Sit back and reflect on yourself for a couple months. Think about how YOU want to be treated. Figure out how to "self edit" yourself. Learn how to pass over a post and not comment. Maybe there will not be "drama". You bring it on yourself. Then the "good'ole boy system" comes into effect. Not even going there. Most of you know what I mean.
Yes, I have spent an hour or more writing this. Self editing. Rewriting things to be more polite. Yes, I could pass over this thread, but I finally feel some of you (insert many words of profanity that you wish) need to be called out. Your comments, attitudes, and posts (degrating to thread starter) need to STOP!!!! Shut your mouth and move on!!!

Time for me to take a break from this site for awhile too. I get pleny bent and hot reading some of the comments at times.

Take this as you will. Like I said, I can care less what YOU think. But 1 person cannot cause drama. It takes a group to cause drama. A group like YOU.

Take care.
Joh Hand

PS. Ban me too if you do not like what I say.

Originally Posted by CADplans

My beliefs on this sight are kinda along the lines of Hand_108,,,,

If there is something I do not like, I click the "Red X" in the upper right corner,, (yes, I use a PC, not an Apple,, )

If it had not been for Justin, I would have not converted my Super to diesel;



(Actually, I just wanted to post a pic of my new lawn mower,,, , so nobody really knows how I feel)

Originally Posted by Alvy

I hope this thread doesn't get closed like the rest of these just yet. I have to agree with a lot of what Hand is saying. I feel there are wrongs committed on both sides of the fence here.

It's more than the teenagers here. I don't know Justin but Nick and I have spoken several times. I've told him about his actions and how he gets carried away at times with posting nonsense and blowing up members and letting him know why and how certain people react to him in certain ways. He's starting to realize this and is learning from his mistakes I believe. Does he deserve another chance sometime? Yes. I think we all do

There needs to be some self realization though. I and others have voiced our concerns when Jon has ruffled our feathers and have private messaged him at his request as well about these concerns. Others have PMd myself and other members and haven't wanted to speak up in fear of being retaliated against for one reason or another. There is a reaction that he evokes because of his personality and I'm not afraid to admit that and I hope he can understand that is happening. All he wants to do is get the correct information out there, and I respect that but he needs to realize his way of doing that is harsh a lot of times and people on the other end of that get pissed. The OP is stating this also as it happened recently. Let me make this clear that I don't have a problem with him, and I've told him that, but at the same time I think he wonders why there are people that do have a problem with him. I'm not a member of any ars kissing club and I see the frustration here but yes, the drama can be avoided and not prevoked by simply not posting to something. I get there has to be some policing but it's getting ridiculous at times. And actually I do care about not getting banned but I also don't like to see longer term members leaving or not posting anymore because of this.

Originally Posted by spudder

I don't post or reply to many threads, but feel the need to respond here. I among others have felt similar to Hand_108. I think the venting is a real positive and has been needed for quite a while.
In a nutshell, Hand's post pretty well says it all. My thoughts are, think before you respond.
Type, edit, think, edit, send and smile. If that doesn't feel right, just don't post a reply!
This is the best forum out there for our joint interest: Cub Cadets.
We all can co-exist and make this place better!
I'm an old fart(older than Sam) That is all!
Thanks, Tim

I agree with every thread here. I had typed up a long post, but these guys said it so well, I went with them.

My question is, why does the other half in this equation get away with everything without repercussion? Free range to banter and banter until they break, then laugh as they get banned? Pretty sad with all that knowledge, has no people skills whatsoever...................

[Cub Cadet 123]

I missed it all......and I am not "sorry" for it. Somehow, we have lost sight of what makes this forum so good--guys (and some gals) talking about tractors. I read all of the posts to this thread and remembered my posts to JW's two posts when he was allowed to come back. My experience told me that not enough time had passed for maturity to take place and history would repeat itself, but that is neither here nor there.

Now, what I see is people taking sides and polarizing the situation. I have dealings with people of all ages on a regular basis since it is part of my work and as soon as they feel you are attacking them instead of their behavior, then they take the defensive position as kind of a self preservation. Well, no one needs a psychology lesson here, but I do want to warn everyone against taking sides as that will only divide us. After all, it is never a question of who is right, but what is right. Whenever you point the finger at someone, remember that there are 3 fingers pointing back at you. Mods, do what you need to do since I don't want to be a mod and you do, besides, you are better at it than me. Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open mind.....just not so open that everything falls out. I figure, if you ban me then you must have a good enough reason to do so and the sun will still rise and set.

Sorry....this is way longer than I had planned. Aldous Huxley said, "Experience isn't what happens to a man. It is what a man does with what happens to him." May we all grow from this experience and get back to talking tractors and helping each other.



Cub Cadet 123

[jaynjeep]

I agree with most every post in this thread in one way or another on both sides.

I am grateful for the Moderators and Administration on this site.. they don't get paid and have to deal with a wide range of crap.. Thank you for what you do! It has to be a very difficult job.

I am grateful for all the members here.. as a whole it's a great group of people who are just trying to have fun and help people..

Lets all get back to talking about Cub Cadets and helping each other out.. That's what brought us all together to start with.

[bocephus1991]

Amen, let's get back to cub cadets !

[mudpatrol1]

i agree that its not all the kids that cause problems,i have alot of respect for the younger generation who are interested in this rather then there smart phone. i try to help others with my replies to there problems,yet certain people feel the need to try and make me look stupid. i have been a master auto tech for over 35 years and can fix most anything. i,m not claiming i know everything,but just trying to share my knowledge. if any of you want too see some amazing young talent go poke around the All Terrain Lawn Tractor Forum. i have seen alot of young talent there,which gives me hope not all kids are troublemakers. for now i will not be replying to posts because of the negative replies i received. i,m 51 years old,and i do not need or want to be treated like a fool.certain people need to act there age,not there shoe size. Roger

[j4c11]

Originally Posted by Sam Mac

I agree that maybe it would be smart if the Mods only made one post or no post's saying that they disagree with the poster that is giving wrong info and then let the rest of you guys have at it. Probably what I will do in the future, as I said if your stuff don't go not my problem and I'm seriously tired of being the bad guy. Guess I'll just move threads that in the wrong area or tell the new members that are only on OCC to sell stuff that they haven't complied with the rules. It will make life much simpler for me. Well I've said pretty much what I want to say so I'll shut up now cause I'm just an Old Man that doesn't get it. Happy Cubbing Kids.

I'm going to disagree with the previous poster's suggestion to "keep my trap shut". If it's wrong it's wrong, and things must be called what they are, even at the risk of offending someone. People take offense at the truth all the time, that's why we have political correctness. Then they get angry, irrational and loud. You stand on principle or your fall, simple as that. For every person that's complaining there's probably 10 others that have benefited from getting the right information, and another 50 that will hit the forum off google in years to come looking for a resolution to their problem that will also benefit. It's what makes this place great. Hope you and the other mods continue doing what you're doing, I and many others appreciate the time you selflessly take from your day to help others with their hobby.

[Leadslingingdaddy]

I'm all for thinning the herd....

Let FB have them.........or let them 'tweet" each other and their current feelings...

[cowdiddly]

Don't worry the herd is thining itself.
This is the most micro-managed site I have ever seen
Ask yourselves why over half the responses are from moderators themselves at this point.
The Moderators and some of these same senior members that have posted in this thread have this condesending Know-it- all attitude toward its own members.

I have personally witnessed these same gurus telling people patently false information.

A flooding carb does not cause an engine to run bad or gas to leak out the carb
Add laquer thinner to Akyld Enamel
Points dont cause an engine to run bad.
These engines require tighter tolerances than other engines. lol
ON and ON
My very first post I was attacked trying to help a guy like I did not know what I was talking about, I was right and was never apologied by the people here or thanked by the guy I helped.

I rarely post anything and anymore and I certainly do not try to help anymore.
I seen how Justin was treated and if you do not see a problem with that, then you are the problem.

I dont claim to know everything and the man who does can't learn But I have made my living working as a A&P mech on Lycoming and Continental six cylinder versions of this same aircooled type engines but they leave the ground. I don't really need to ask anyone how to repair a lawnmower at this point.
I might get banned for this post but its not the end of the world life goes on.
But if you guys are smart you will listen to what it looks like from someone new showing up. Its your site, you are going to get what you put into it out the other end.

Sorry I I stepped on a toe but Im just calling it as I see it.