Possible non-ethanol gas ban in New York State

[garydee]

I have been hearing rumblings of a possible non-ethanol gas ban here in New York State. Legislators have currently enacted legislation that forbids using natural gas for cooking and heating in new home construction. By 2035, car dealers will not be able to sell gasoline powered cars! The bans will continue as long as we have corrupt politicians controlled by corrupt down state democrats running the show! Most of the down state population uses public transportation and... the average size lawn (if there is one) is about the size of a postage stamp, so there's no need for any kind of fuel.

With this in mind, does anyone have any ideas to get around this? Or, can tractor owners use E-10 gasoline without problems in our equipment. What harm will the E-10 cause with older tractors vs. those from the early 90's and up? Also, what will the owners of older equipment need to do to safely use the ethanol blended fuel, if they can?

I'm sure everyone who has small engine equipment would appreciate the ideas and thoughts from members regarding this possible change in the fuel availability here in New York State.

[Radioguy41]

I have:
1948 Farmall Cub
1957 International Cub LoBoy
1980 CC 782
1988 CC 1806
1993 Craftsman LT4000
1993 Craftsman GT6000

All of them run fine on E10

[Sergeant]

Originally Posted by garydee

I have been hearing rumblings of a possible non-ethanol gas ban here in New York State. Legislators have currently enacted legislation that forbids using natural gas for cooking and heating in new home construction. By 2035, car dealers will not be able to sell gasoline powered cars! The bans will continue as long as we have corrupt politicians controlled by corrupt down state democrats running the show! Most of the down state population uses public transportation and... the average size lawn (if there is one) is about the size of a postage stamp, so there's no need for any kind of fuel.

With this in mind, does anyone have any ideas to get around this? Or, can tractor owners use E-10 gasoline without problems in our equipment. What harm will the E-10 cause with older tractors vs. those from the early 90's and up? Also, what will the owners of older equipment need to do to safely use the ethanol blended fuel, if they can?

I'm sure everyone who has small engine equipment would appreciate the ideas and thoughts from members regarding this possible change in the fuel availability here in New York State.

I am sure that is In court right now I bet it won't actually happen in 2035! California has tried the same thing and It already In court

[Sam Mac]

Keep your gas fresh and use something like Marine Sta-Bil.

[Graflex45]

The upside of ethanol gas no one ever thinks to address, you don't have water buildup in the bottom of gas tanks anymore. The alcohol brings it into solution and you don't have to putt any additives in your tank (often just a bottle of straight methanol).
Put modern gas lines on your engines, clean and adjust the carb for the gas you use and put a modern fuel filter in line and you shouldn't have any issues.
I live in Upstate and the 70 I bought recently was restored more than 10 years ago and the gas tank is still bright on the inside running on regular ethanol gas.
Seafoam additive is good to keep in the tanks over winter or all the time to help keep the carb clean based on your preference.
Even if ICE vehicle sales end in 2035 there will be vehicles on the road for a long time after that that needs gasoline.

[garydee]

From what I am hearing, I am wasting my money buying non-ethanol fuel for my equipment. I have restored all of my Cub Cadet equipment and have fuel line and filters that can handle the E10. The only thing I still wonder about is the gasket (Cub Cadet brand) between the carb and the engine. Is it made of compressed paper or something else? Will it hold up if I use E10 fuel? Some other thoughts...will ethanol gas dissolve any carbon deposits in the engine causing additional problems when I switch over? What about the the octane rating? Will 87 octane fuel work? I thought 89 octane was the minimum for most small engines...

[ol'George]

The old kohler /Briggs engines are very low compression,
They can burn very low octane.
The newer fool injected, lectronic controlled engines do run higher compression that do best on just regular "pump" gasoline.
High octane fuel is not only a waste of money on low compression engines but produces less power.
Now if one has built a high performance pulling engine, or a race motor then they require a high octane fuel.
E10 runs just fine in older engines,it's the E15 and higher that causes problems in the engines not designed for it
Racers that use alcohol/ Menthol use different jetting, fuel hoses ignition timing among other things to enable its usage.
The alcohol is nasty fuel, but it produces power when set up to operate on it.

[Graflex45]

An interesting aside many old simple engines can be run on straight ethanol if adjusted properly. And fuel lines aren't an issue on most because before synthetic rubbers fuel lines where often ductile copper pipe with flare fittings.
On the subject of gaskets I think most modern composite gaskets will be made with ethanol exposure in mind. Many antique engines have nondissolvable materials like sheet lead or soft copper before more durable composites became available like bakelite or resin impregnated fibers.

[garydee]

I appreciate the excellent insight and information from so many of the more experienced members of the OCC group. As they say, knowledge is power! I learn something every time I log on...

Gary D

[LAWN BOY]

Interesting thread. I’ve always ran only premium non-ethanol gasoline in all of my small engines new and old.