Wheel help please

[Mainecubcadet108]

Alright we had a pull today and we missed a full pull by 3inches.But in our next class we only went 108 and some change.Well low and behold we noticed the tires was spinning on the rim.We run the 24x12x12 At101's and vogel aluminum rims.My question is how can we stop this from happening and no i dont want to put screws into my aluminum rims.We run the air between 4 and 5 pounds just like everyone else in the sport stock class.We had bead sealer on these already and they still spun is there some type of adhesive that can be used thanks.

[austin8214]

Lots of guys use silicon.

[dvogtvpe]

since its an ATV tire you could maybe get some bead locks or get some GT tires

[Mainecubcadet108]

Its not a ATV tire these are Carlisle AT 101's These are GT tires look at the pic.

[dvogtvpe]

I never considered them a GT tire, its an ATV tire. they were originally designed for ATV's and UTV's. GT guys started buying them because the would fit under their fenders without any work and the price is reasonable. there's no way a stocker should ever spin a tire on a rim. Vogel makes a good rim. a rim designed for pulling. so the problem pretty much lays in the tire design.
I've never spun a tire on a rim in all my years of pulling . I don't use anything special to hold them. just soapy water to get them on easier

[Mainecubcadet108]

Well yes vogel makes a good rim but yes the tire is spinning on the rim and ive never ever seen these tires on a ATV or UTV ive only seen them on zero turn mowers and im told by the local john deere company here yes thats a bad name on this site LOL.That they where put on the zero turn so they dont tear up the lawns hence the short lug.But hey what do i know.

[cubfixer]

If the rims are smooth, then you need to increase the friction between the rim and the tire. Take some 80 grit sandpaper to the rim going from the center to the outside of the rim where the tire contacts the rim. Do the same to the tire bead. This should substantially increase the friction between the tire and the rim. Cross-hatching the rim might be best.

Then run just enough tire pressure to hold the tire to the rim and keep it from turning.

[dvogtvpe]

you shouldn't have to rough up the rim. you'll probably have trouble sealing the bead and have trouble with the tires going flat over time. . the bead of the tire should be stiff enough to hold the tire to the rim. I never cared for the angle on the lug of those tires. to steep of angle. you generally want a tire with a lug angle of 15 to 25 degree's depending on the type of dirt you pull on. When I was a Lawn Tec dealer for Midwest Super Cub I used to mount up allot of tire and rim combos. you had to put allot of air in those tires to get the bead to seat on the rim. I've dealt with Firestones 23 deg , Carlisle Super Lugs, Pit Bull II , VM 07, Cepeks, Lawn Tec gen 1,2 & 3 and Nichols Edge. while there's things I like and dislike about the tires they don't spin on the rims.
you don't have many choice's. you can silicone them but I've seen that cause more problems than help. screw them on which can cause damage if you break the screws so you need to put enough in. some type of bead lock , you could call Carlisle and ask them why their tires spin on the rim. maybe they have an idea other than they weren't designed for that.

[Mainecubcadet108]

I have used the tru powers and the super lugs and yes they dont spin on the rim but everyone in the sport stock class is using the Carlise AT101s and they do a damn fine job pulling.We couldnt even get close to what the other guys where getting for distance with tru powers or super lug so we bought these and now we are up there with the rest of the class.Yes i agree the sidewall is thinner than the others but it makes the tire wrinkle a little better Ill figure something out a long time puller up here said he has always used the windsheild adhesive the rope type and put it around the bead and put 10 to 12 pounds of air in it and he lets them sit in the sun and he has never had a tire spin so im going to give that a shot.

[dvogtvpe]

you guys do much with after market gearing?