Chat room drama
 

i think i will take a break from here because of all the b.s. going on. i do not need children telling me what i can say. i also dont need certain people trying to make me look stupid with my replies. i have been around cars,trucks ,and tractors since i was 4. my dad was a master mechanic way before the internet days. i offer my thoughts and experience as a way of helping others,not to be treated like a fool. i belong to several other tractor forums and i have never had this kind of crap.

I think I speak for most here when I say I hate to hear that members are walking away or taking a break from this site due to some members recent...activity. I haven't been posting as much in recent months but it has nothing to do with others here. But I am on the site daily and have seen quite a bit of what you are talking about. All I can say is that I'm willing to bet that if the BS continues, the people causing it won't be around much longer to cause it. I understand how you feel but hope you reconsider and stick around; there really are a lot of great people here and I hope a few bad apples don't ruin it for the rest. In either case, take care and Cub on :beerchug:

No worries, I think he's gone. I for one appreciate your and everyone else's help, without this forum both my cubs would be toast. Especially Jonathan who I often see at 11 o'clock at night , presumably after a long day at work, taking from his rest time and helping others on here.

I do have one regret, we will never know how that PTO turned out.

:biggrin2:

IDK what's better: the quote or the pic :biggrin2:

And the heck with the PTO, I want to know how the gas to diesel conversion turns out!!

I think we already know how that PTO is going to work:biggrin2:
Hope you reconsider taking a break mud, I read every post no matter what topic and I like yours as well as many others

Hang in there. Pretty sure this is about to be resolved shortly.

Edit: I see that the issue has been resolved. Not by me this time.

Dang I missed all the fun!!!!!!!

Me too! Just read through the edited version. So who had July 13 in the pool?:biggrin2:

Edit: I too hope you hang around mud!

I like this quote

I hope you stick around, now that the biggest trouble maker is gone hopefully we can get back to cubs. I enjoy your post and it would be a shame to lose you over certain peoples inability to shut up.

I hope you stick around. Like I PM'd you, you have good posts and good advice. Hate to see you go.

Yeah stick around mud, take a few days off. That's what I do from time to time. Mostly because I don't have the time to get on cause I'm working.

Things should be nice and quiet for awhile. Let's get back to talking Cubs. :beerchug: 99.9% of everyone here are great at helping and offering good advice. We try to give chances for bad apples to mature but it rarely works out. When it doesn't they will be removed.

I take a day off and miss all the excitement and just when I found a source to straighten all those bent starters in the pile!

:ROTF1:
:biggrin2:

I'm gonna miss the how to convert a small gas engine into a diesel and I have a smoked field coil that I wanted to re-wind for a Massey. OK I'll shut up now. :biggrin2:

Big thanks to Big D! :beerchug:

I missed that too! These long naps are killing my learning experience :bash2:

I enjoy listening to you guys. I don't post much but it makes me happy that you guys are willing to share your knowledge with all of us. :beerchug:

We gave these two guys a little extra leeway because they were young. We were teenagers once also. But even with the extra latitude, it didn't work out.

Thanks for those that understood, and tried to help these guys out.


:Thanks::ThumbsUp:

im on here all the time and i keep missing out not sure what the problem was but hope ya stick around

I just want to expand a little on what Roland said. None of the Mods take any pleasure on banning a member. We have tried more than you guys will ever know to get these 2 guys to work within the rules of OCC and to act like respectful adults and it just didn't work. It got done to the point of they go or we loose good long term members. They had to go. No one is happy the way this turned out and we hope someday they will get the message. Speaking for myself I like to see young guys get a feel for old iron but we can't let a basically new member turn what is the best Cub forum into some sort of a Face Book page. I'm sure a couple of you that are friends or were friends with these 2 disagree, if you want to discuss it via PM with me feel free. OK I'm done. :beerchug:

Been sitting back thinking hard about this "drama". You all know what? YOU ARE TO BLAME!!! I am not defending the banned individual one bit, but take a look at yourselves. The only reason the "drama" took place was because your chest is all pumped out and your playing keyboard commando. There would be NO "drama" if you kept your mouth shut or did not post at all (to that thread). There are many many many good members here. Some of them, their choice of words or how they word things, is to blame and makes them look bad. All you had to do was read the post, then, not respond. But some of you, your heads are so swelled, your mouth/fingers/brains do not work together. I do not know how many times I have written a post, reread it before posting, deleated it and moved on. The information on this site is to valuable not to be able to ask questions at times, so I usually keep my mouth shut. This time I cannot. I am ashamed and discusted to be a member of this site with some of you. Yes I know everyones personality is different but common, use some common sense. The person that was at the "root of the drama" was supposedly "16". You all let a 16 year old "ruffle your feathers"? You are no better. The questions, ideas, suggestions may have been "dumb" in your eyes, but for them, it was an idea, question, suggestion. You do not have to respond, but you do. Then when the person retaliates you cut them down more. When you could keep your trap shut and move on. But you do not do so. Then all of a sudden it is "drama". Boohoo. Waaaa. "I want my cake and eat it too. I am an administrator of this site, im a senior member of this site. I do this, I know that". I could care less what any of you think of ME. You are not my Dad/Mom, Husband/Wife, Brother/Sister, child, Aunt/Uncle etc. And personally, I do not care what they think of me either. I personally think any of you that posted anything negative in the threads of the "banned" needs a 90 suspension. You are the root. Sit back and reflect on yourself for a couple months. Think about how YOU want to be treated. Figure out how to "self edit" yourself. Learn how to pass over a post and not comment. Maybe there will not be "drama". You bring it on yourself. Then the "good'ole boy system" comes into effect. Not even going there. Most of you know what I mean.
Yes, I have spent an hour or more writing this. Self editing. Rewriting things to be more polite. Yes, I could pass over this thread, but I finally feel some of you (insert many words of profanity that you wish) need to be called out. Your comments, attitudes, and posts (degrating to thread starter) need to STOP!!!! Shut your mouth and move on!!!

Time for me to take a break from this site for awhile too. I get pleny bent and hot reading some of the comments at times.

Take this as you will. Like I said, I can care less what YOU think. But 1 person cannot cause drama. It takes a group to cause drama. A group like YOU.

Take care.
John Hand

PS. Ban me too if you do not like what I say.

i hear you Sam, its good to see the younger crowd interested in mechanics and older equipment but not at the expense of the rest of the community. i hope when my sons are older they take an interest in mechanics( only as a hobby, i hope there smart enough to work with there minds and not there backs like i do) and get enjoy the feeling you get when you bring something back from the dead or simply in being able to maintain there equipment properly.

I think the banned member isnt bad not trying to say he was right but is a good guy non the less. i think the banned members both deserve another chance as we all need them "Matthew 18:21-22 - Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."

Fyi. I know nothing of the banned other than reading the posts. Same state. Many miles apart.

My beliefs on this sight are kinda along the lines of Hand_108,,,,

If there is something I do not like, I click the "Red X" in the upper right corner,, (yes, I use a PC, not an Apple,, :bigeyes:)

If it had not been for Justin, I would have not converted my Super to diesel;

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2mik2cvs.jpg

(Actually, I just wanted to post a pic of my new lawn mower,,, :biggrin2: , so nobody really knows how I feel)

I hope this thread doesn't get closed like the rest of these just yet. I have to agree with a lot of what Hand is saying. I feel there are wrongs committed on both sides of the fence here.

It's more than the teenagers here. I don't know Justin but Nick and I have spoken several times. I've told him about his actions and how he gets carried away at times with posting nonsense and blowing up members and letting him know why and how certain people react to him in certain ways. He's starting to realize this and is learning from his mistakes I believe. Does he deserve another chance sometime? Yes. I think we all do

There needs to be some self realization though. I and others have voiced our concerns when Jon has ruffled our feathers and have private messaged him at his request as well about these concerns. Others have PMd myself and other members and haven't wanted to speak up in fear of being retaliated against for one reason or another. There is a reaction that he evokes because of his personality and I'm not afraid to admit that and I hope he can understand that is happening. All he wants to do is get the correct information out there, and I respect that but he needs to realize his way of doing that is harsh a lot of times and people on the other end of that get pissed. The OP is stating this also as it happened recently. Let me make this clear that I don't have a problem with him, and I've told him that, but at the same time I think he wonders why there are people that do have a problem with him. I'm not a member of any ars kissing club and I see the frustration here but yes, the drama can be avoided and not prevoked by simply not posting to something. I get there has to be some policing but it's getting ridiculous at times. And actually I do care about not getting banned but I also don't like to see longer term members leaving or not posting anymore because of this.

I would like to add some additional information.

I see postings here that reflect what you guys see and read. I CAN assure you, there is more to the situation than what is being seen. We (Admin Team) have received numerous PM's, E-mails, and phone calls both from members as well as these two young men with a variety of things "they" think we should do. So, for us, we weigh all this and thus make a decision. It is a collective decision not just one person, and as Sam said.........we don't take it lightly nor not do our home work.

Guys, I won't close this thread. Maybe it's good to allow you guys to vent. So I'll toss in my 2 cents. I probably spend 4-5 hours everyday trying to help members get correct answers that allow them to fix there tractors. Pay sucks. I spend a considerable amount of time researching the web in order to give the best answer that I can as do the other mods. Realistically I stand nothing to gain if your tractor runs or not. I know how to fix my stuff, everything I own runs. I do have an issue when a member gives wrong info and then get's into an argument when someone points out that he or she is wrong.

The 2 members that are the center of attention have repeatedly posted or started threads asking a question, and it seems that when they don't get the answer they are expecting they go into argument mode. Yep I remember being a teen when I knew everything, funny but as I get older I realize that I was wrong on so many occasions (wish I could apologize to my Dad) but at least I was taught to treat my elders with respect something that seems to be sadly lacking today. I agree that maybe it would be smart if the Mods only made one post or no post's saying that they disagree with the poster that is giving wrong info and then let the rest of you guys have at it. Probably what I will do in the future, as I said if your stuff don't go not my problem and I'm seriously tired of being the bad guy. Guess I'll just move threads that in the wrong area or tell the new members that are only on OCC to sell stuff that they haven't complied with the rules. It will make life much simpler for me. Well I've said pretty much what I want to say so I'll shut up now cause I'm just an Old Man that doesn't get it. Happy Cubbing Kids.

This has nothing to do with Jonathan. The kid was conceited, rude, disrespectful towards his elders, and refused to listen. He was told to change his signature, he didn't, it got deleted, then he changed it to something else that was against the rules, so he also had a problem with authority and following rules. He suffers from a lack of education, and from his constant search from attention, maybe other issues. He is now on his third ban, and not surprisingly, peace came about immediately after he got banned. Ultimately he reaped what he sowed.

Wow! I am probably part of the so called problem for coming down on JW, I surely did not miss an opportunity. The way I see it, this child needs to be taught the valuable lesson of shutting up when one needs to shut up, not bend rules by flagrantly using his religion on this public site for tractors and most importantly not use this site as his ADHT personality disorder to be the smartest man in the room. He was 16, ears open, mouth closed. Time to learn.

It is not like the chance the reform wasn't given. He had many chances, too many.

i have nothing to apologiz for. I'm glad he's gone.

I don't post or reply to many threads, but feel the need to respond here. I among others have felt similar to Hand_108. I think the venting is a real positive and has been needed for quite a while.
In a nutshell, Hand's post pretty well says it all. My thoughts are, think before you respond.
Type, edit, think, edit, send and smile. If that doesn't feel right, just don't post a reply!
This is the best forum out there for our joint interest: Cub Cadets.
We all can co-exist and make this place better!
I'm an old fart(older than Sam) That is all!
Thanks, Tim

For what it is worth, I agree with Hand and Alvy also.

Everything built by man had the first one built some where by someone.
Not every little thing has been invented by some retired guy with 60 years of trial and error under his belt either.
Many items went thru hundreds of renditions before it was actually close to working.
If every young gun listened to the advice of their elders 100% of the time, we would still be waiting for the first light bulb.

I like your green tractor, the color matches 50% of my equipment:Shocked:

I'm with the Mods on this. I sent several PMs to Justin trying to show him
the adult way to act. These were very well thought out suggestions, not ripping on him just suggestions. His responses were very adversary in nature.
I'm not trying to change the minds of the kid supporters just that he was hard to deal with.

I agree with the mods on justin, being 16 i can say yeah were not always smart but being raised as the son of very devout catholic conservatives i can see justin was in the wrong and did not need to act out. He should obey his elders if i talked to anyone like that and my father found out id be back in next week, but i still cant figure out why nick got banned. Thanks Zach

Guys I missed all the fun.

You didn't even let me get my :popcorn:

:biggrin2:

This is going to be a (hopefully) quick response after a couple cold ones and a long day of work.

I've sat back and watched 99% of what has happened publically here. My :TwoCents: on this is most of the blame lies on the JW kid. I've been around the internet enough (too much probably) to know a trouble maker when I see one. He would post threads completely off the topic of CC's or just to cause an issue (his loader "problem", gas to diesel conversion, rewind PTO to name a few) seeming to want to ruffle feathers then never post what happened. Then when he got posts (however polite or impolite) contrary to his view, he lashed out. To me, the casual observer, he was looking for an argument, drama. Some members fed into this more than others so a small amount of blame lies on them as well. Like another member said, it takes more than one to cause drama and I agree with that to an extent. If someone wasn't trying to cause it in the first place, there wouldn't be an excuse for others to return the favor. I may not be an experienced "old dog" like some here but I'm not an invalid, either. In the end, I'm 99% on the MOD's side. I would have done the same in their position, if not sooner.

That's all I've got to say, now to return to the shadows :beerchug:

Love the green machine ol' George. Also you guys are all very knowledgeable. Our 2 former members needed to open their ears and soak up the knowledge from you veteran cub guys :beerchug:

Zach

Since you asked why Nick is no longer here this is what did it for me.
http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=39799
This was just the last straw for me and I'll take responsibility for banning Nick. I'll also take responsibility for Justin's first ban. I'll also take responsibility for letting Justin back into OCC, a move I regret to this day.

Being a member of OCC is not a right, it's a privilege. Just my 2 cents but if you want a place to rant go to face book.

OK I'm just an arrogant nasty overbearing Mod so I'll go away now.

Good night guys. :beerchug: