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Questions about my 1772
Hello Everybody,
My name is Cody Romero. I'm 17 years old. About 3 years ago, my cousin/neighbor/Best Friend passed away. All my life, driving the Cub Cadet was a privlage, We've always had problems getting her to start, because the battery always died. So to rid it, it was an 1/2 an hour job, Julo was a big man, and a little Slow. Well back to the point. I was on a fixing streak this past week, after fixing a plow, and plowing a piece of proberty. I got out the 4-wheeler to drag the drag, and smooth the piece. Well even in 4-wheel drive, she was having trouble. So I thought i'd get the Old 782D out and use her. Well i was having my normal troubles, and even more. I noticed that there was a rather LARGE oil spill on the floor, well it's because the hydrostatic fluid is no longer on the dipstick. So after about 1/2 an hour of scraping, I got out the pressure washer, and gave her a good soaking. I couldn't find where it was leaking from, other than that it was somewhere high. So, I took the body off. I pressure washed her again, and now she's clean. there are 2 places that she's leaking from. ON top of the hydrostatic block (??) there are 2 pressure releife nuts, They are connected to the power steering ram by 2 tubes. The oil is flowing from there. It don't do it constantly though. Just on and off. BEHIND the hydrostatic block, there is a PTO that is connected directly(??) to the driveshaft. The seal around it is leaking. Is it possible to change this seal without taking the rear end apart. I hope so. http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1514.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1513.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...h_MVI_1537.jpg I"m assuming that this is the correct replacement. IH - Rear PTO Power Take Off Shaft Oil Seal PN/ IH-126107-C1 USE IH-126107-C2 Fits all Rear PTO's Including Farmall Cub & Lo Boy tractors. $11.00 Ea. It can be found at this link, the very last one I'm assuming that the pressure nut is leaking, because it is low on oil, i'm hoping. Any help would be appreciated in fixing the above issues. |
At the front of the hydro on top those are the two release valves that are leaking out the weep holes. They need replaced, or you can try removing them and blowing them out with air to see if that fixes it. The rear seal can be changed without to much trouble. People have taken a couple screws and screwed them into the seal just enough to grab onto it and pull it out. You don't actually have a rear pto, it's just a splined shaft that's goes to the optional rear pto on a super. The new seal part number is 921-3032
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Cody :Welcome2:
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Thank you very mutch aagitch. That's exactly what I needed to know. I should be able to get the seal from the local Cub Cadet dealer, correct?
I'm a little dissapointed in hearing that I don't indead have a Rear PTO. If I'm understanding correctly, the 782, 882,982 all have basically the same frame and such, so theoretically, I should be able to put a PTO from the Super (? 982 ?) onto my 782D. I really hope I can. Could somebody tell me exactly what tractor I have. I have the owners manuel for an "International Cub Cadet 782-- Diesel Tractor". Julo wrote on it that he purchased it New on April 3, 1986. +The Serial Number is 746,142. That would mean it's a CCC and not a IH, correct. or am I wrong in assuming that. So my question is, do i indead have the correct manuel, or do i have a manuel for an older tractor. I also see that it's possible to get a 3pt for the 782, or is that only availible for the Supers. Also, to control the 3pt. i'm assuming that I would some how disconnect the "mule" Belly attachment Lifting Ram, and run a rod to the 3pt. If that's correct, how exactly do I do that. :P I thank yall for the quick replyes and Welcoms. Cody |
You cannot put a rear PTO on a 782D or any other non-super 82 series, for that matter. It is a CCC tractor built for sale at IH dealerships.
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Matt, Thanks.
This may be a stupid question, but what engine exactly do I have. I know it's a diesel, but that's about it, I can't find any plates on it, but then, i'm not sure exactly where i'm suposed to be. I know where the one on the frame is, but engine, got me. Is I have a Kohler, and if so, is it a series 1, or 2 Here are a few pics http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1527.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1525.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1524.jpg Thanks Cody |
Cody: The engine in your CCC 882 is a 3 cyl Kubota D-600 Diesel engine. You need to go to www.binderbooks.com and order IH GSS-1509, The IH Service Manual for the Engine, Fuel & Electrical systems (Kubota Diesel). 782D's are RED! 882's are Yellow/White!, otherwise they are the exact same tractor.
The Kohler's both KT Series I & series II are twin cylinder GASOLINE engines. Where are you in Louisiana?? I'm just over the line from Logansport, Louisiana in East Texas. |
That's not an 882 either....I see an SGT front axle and brake pedals on the right, so that's a 1572.
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Cody...Matt's got a good eye and I believe is correct about the Model. The engine is the same in the 882, 782D 1512 & 1572...
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Matt, Your a Major Help. So does this mean that I have a '86 1582 D <--?? I will post some more pictures tonight, as I'm doing this durring Lunch at school. We're not allowed to view Photobucket, So, that would make more since, because i truly do have a wrong manuel.
So What else can you tell me about her, I see that the 782 has decals on the hood, where as mine has some glue hills, so i'm assuming that she had a badge on her. Is it possible to put a Rear PTO on my 1582, or is she not a Super, I'm not sure on that point. MBounds, I'm in Lafeyette, LA, About an hour West of Baton Rouge, LA. and about 4 hours east of Houston. About the Kohler engines, I wasn't exactly sure. Thanks for the clearification. I appreciate it alot. I do know that about 3 years before he passed, so about 6 years ago, the engine got rebuilt, and new crankshaft, drivestaft, and some wiring was installed. Would the seal number that was mentioned earlyer still be the correct one, even though I have a 1572. Thanks for all the help guys, I can't tell yall how much I apprciate it. Cody PS. A few of my pics can be found at my Photobucket site, My user there is Elephants16, so search that. I'd post a link, but I can't access it. You'll find it under the "Cub Cadet 782D" album. Thanks |
Cody,
Yes, it looks like you have a 1572 from that picture. Yes, it is a super and you can add a rear pto to it. |
Sweet, I'm so excited now that I know that.
http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1532.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1530.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1524.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1523.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1518.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1515.jpg Here is some more pics, I'm sorta dumb, on the whole identification thing. I know that I have a '86 1572D, with a Kubota D-600, I also know that she had a mower at one time, but that rusted away, so he bought a Kubota TG1860, I know that the deck SN is 19476, What does that make it, i'd like to eventually get one, to make her operational again, I do have an extra Mule, the thing that holds the deck, and pully system, it's never been used, I think it might come in handy. I know she has front hydrolics. So, it's possible to put a PTO on her, and get a 3 pt. Where exactly would I get the PTO, I saw some 3pts, but I think i'll just make that part. I've also seen grater blades that go infront, and belly blades, I think i might make something out of the other mule, that is a belly blade, not sure though. Thanks again guys, I know I type alot, and ask a lot of questions. I thank yall for sharing yalls Great Abundence of knowledge with me. Cody |
Cody: Ya almost got it...
The info on the data plate : 149-711-100 , Serial Number 787251, indicates that it is a 1989 Model 1772 with the 17 hp version of that Kubota engine. All other info you have is correct and remains the same. Take care and watch the bolts that attach the frame to the Cast Aluminum rearend housing.... They are notorious for coming loose and causing you great amount of grief. Get some good thread locker and keep 'em tight...and check'em regularly!! |
Ok Myron, You say that it's a 1782. Matt said that it was a 1582, with a 15 HP engine, Julo had always said it was a 17 HP, so I'm hopping your correct, and that Julo was correct. Is there a place that translates the SN into a Model & Year. Just currious.
Thanks for all the info guys Cody |
I said it was a 1572. Myron is correct....I had to guess since you hadn't provided the info on the data plate before. It is a 1772.
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I'm sorry Matt, I didin't mean to sound like I was saying you were wrong, I was just trying to confirm.
Ok, so now another number, What is the difference between the 82 series and the 72 series. I havn't heard of that before. I'm just trying to clearify exactly what tractor I have. |
Cody: The OCC is the place where you get that data plate translated. I have the IH , CCC, and MTD/CC Cub Cadet listings and Matt G could have translated it also, had he seen the data plate before I did. There are also several others who here have the informnation, so here is where you ask.
CCC and CCC/MTD, like IH, changed the series digits when ever there was a styling change or a different series of engines...etc. |
Ok, So now I think all my questions so far have been answered. Sweet. Thanks to everybody, and again, Matt, I'm sorry, I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was just curious. I thank you sincerly for all your help.
So now I have a 1772. Does that mean that the seal that is busted would be different from the afor mentioned one. I purchased that seal today, just want to clearify I did purchase the correct one. I'm going to go change it later today, by screwing a little screw into it, just enough to catch it, One question. Would any oil leak out of there when I pull it out. The level of hydro oil, is just bellow the dip stick, so i'm wondering if I'm going to loose any by doing so. Just curious. Thanks for all the info Cody |
is the breather plugged? That would make the seal leak as well. Does it leak all the time or just after it gets warmed up?
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It leaks the second it's started, There is a large spill on the garage floor also, And we pushed her in there, so I know it's not from frunning.
What is the breather? for the engine, no, if it's for the rear end, I don't know where that is located, I'll just say this, It's all shinny again, i pressurewashed it again, and she still leaks. Thanks Cody |
It's obvious you have a Super diesel but your serial number doesn't seem right. From the paperwork/files I'm looking at, that serial number seems too early for the 1572. Maybe Myron can chime in here. What's the model number/machine code info on the date tag on the frame? By the way if you need any parts that show a Kubota part number make sure you get them from a Kubota dealer, you'll save a ton of money.
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Julo wrote on the IH 782 Manuel, that he purchased it on April 3, 1986.
Just putting that out there. He also wrote 589 above everything. I'm not sure what that ment??? I dont know if that's important Thanks Cody |
AGitch: Cody has a photo of the data plate posted....
Cody, the Data Plate doesn't lie. 149711100 is a 1989 Model 1772. 149 = Garden or Super Garden Tractor built in 1989 711 = factory code for a 1772 100 = sold by a Cub Cadet Dealer. The Serial number 787251 falls within the range of 1989 Serial numbers 779,097-799,99. I don't know about what's written in the manual but this unit was not purchased in 1986, three years before it was manufactured.:bouncy: |
Questions about my 1772D
Yall know what. I think I could have saved us ALOT of problems. If I just would have looked threw my papers, I would have found out that wnen it got stollen, that it never was found. I knew that the 782 was stolen from his shed in '89.
He then bought this Current Cub Cadet 1772 on 4/1/89 with a Kubota D640 B Engine, Originally she had a 50GT mowing deck. Then another in 93, Then yet another in 98. I find that last number to be amazing. In 98 he wrote that he bought a new deck, but in 01 he bought a whole new lawnmower, my TG 1860-D. I have a folder for all the paperwork. It's Blue, with a white section at the Top with Cub Cadet in Blue. I have the:
I'd also like to get a Front end Blade, to do some dirt work. Thank you Matt G., Myron, aagitch,CMA's129, And all others for helping me over come my stupidity for not looking in the rest of My Manuel Section. Cody |
Cody sometimes our excitement gets us going so fast we forget to slow down. You have a nice collection of info for your cub. If you get a FEL (front end loader) you have no need for a front blade. The FEL will cost the most of the attachments but oh they are so much fun! Welcome to the addiction that is cubs!
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Yea, I know I wouldn't need it, But I'd still be nice to have. That way if I only need to rearange and not pick up. I can just do that
Yea, I also know that I get way to excited. It happens to me all the time. What I'd acually like to do, is build one my self. I'm going to be taking ABC Welding next year, so i'd like to do that for my "Project". Over the summer, I plan on getting together with 2 of my buds from school, and building a 3pt housing, I'll buy the arms, and all the other components, but I Think it would be cool to do that. I'll compare the price to make one, vs. the price to buy it. I'm also hoping that I can convert on of my Mules, as I have a brand new one, into a holding device for a blade, so i'll only need to find a actuall blade, and we will fab up the monting pieces, or if it's cheaper to buy one, I'll just do that. I'll come down to availivility, and how Over complex i'm going to design it to be. Does anybody know if Cub Cadet still makes the Rollers, or any body really. I think i've seen them on sites, but really havn't seen any on this one. just curious. I'm going get the Cub tonight from the Camp. I fixed it yesterday. She works Great now. No leaks at all. I'll pressure wash her one more time, and hopefully I can get my mom to pick up some Hydro oil tomorrow, there is a dealer near her work. So she'll be good as new. Thanks Cody |
That's what i get for walking away from the puter while in the middle of the post. You posted a nice pic of the dataplate while I was asking about it. It's cool you've got a 1772. You'll love the smokers.
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Ok, I've gotten her all changed, and Oiled. I put 2 quarts of Hydro oil in. Besides pouring it threw the little dipstick whole, where are you sposed to put it in. Because that toook FOREVER. Just to know for next time.
I've got a question. Does anything sound wrong, or look wrong on her. Her's a pic of her starting up. Is it normal to have to spinn for like 2 seconds, then startbringing the trottle up, before she starts, she'll smoke while turning over, then after about a second, she's fine. My dad says that she's ideling Way to high, does that sound to hi, or just right. I'm assuming it's right, because it was just overhauled. I rode her around the yard after I added some Hydro oil. I've never heard it before, it's almost whining. It's not real loud, but only at full throtle, and full spead. It's not big, and don't have a vid of that. But here's the vid. I'll uploading it up now. Thanks for all the answers Cody |
Cody: There is a start procedure in your Operator's Manual.
1) Move throttle to the Start/Idle Position (the turtle). Never start at full throttle. 2) Turn Key to the left (you will hear the fuel pump buzzing) and wait till you hear the Glo-Plug indicator "click" (meaning that the Glo-Plugs are hot). 3) Turn Key all the way right to the start position and crank the engine till it starts. Yes you will get some white smoke initially and then perhaps a big ole puff of black smoke as the the engine starts to run. That's just a Diesel. 4) Throttle should remain at the Idle position for aproximately 5 minutes for proper engine wrm up (so says my 782D manual). |
A little bit of white smoke from a diesel at startup is normal, but it runs and blows white smoke that normally means low compression. Excessive black smoke could mean to much fuel, weak turbo if equiped, or a dirty air filter. Blus smoke means oil.
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Yea, I normally do the Gloplugs, Bug I don't think i've ever heard the click, is it a load click, because somedays it takes a Long time to start, Julo's always made me sit there at least 3 minutes probably using the gloplugs. I do have to say though, that once she's started, I can start her in NO problems. not even smoke really. Just tell me if yall think this sounds bad. Or Idels to high.
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Yea, yall know how I said I put oil in last night. Well I went to start her just now, to spray the yard, with the spray rig. Well i pulled the dip stick, and there is about 2 inches above the full mark, or about 1 inch above the last L in Full.
Is it bad to run it with that mutch oil. and i'm going to assume that you check it before running, or durring so that the oil is at the level it will be while running. http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1707.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1706.jpg http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...D/IMG_1710.jpg Please Help Cody |
You can't check it while running....with the tractor OFF, pull the dipstick out, wipe it off, and then put it back in and pull it out. This is the correct level.
Any extra will probably come out the breather. |
what kind of hydro fluid did you use? The fluid setting on your fill tube looks pretty nasty.
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Cody, I don't hear a click either. The manual or sicker under the hood (if it's still there) tells you about how many seconds depending on temperature. Also the manual says indicator will turn red when its ready. Mine usually turns red about the same time I've hit my required seconds. I really couldn't tell if yours was idling too high because of some interference noise plus my speakers aren't that good.
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I think the rpms sounded fine. Although a little rough coming through my speakers, it sounded about the same as my 882. I wish mine ran right now. Its in the shop awaiting new parts and my TLC
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Ok, Thanks guys.
@ Matt. Ok, then it's way over. I need to drain it. Besides removing the rea pannel, there isn't a way. I looked, and don't see any hole, besides maybe removing a bolt from the bottom of the back cover, will oil come out, or is it in a solid piece. @aagitch. I used the cub cadet hydro oil. It looked fine when comming out of the leaking seal, so I just added some. Not a good idea it seems. As it is very white, and not clumpy, but it wants to stick together. if that makes since @aagitch. Now that i'm paying attention. there is a Slight click, about 30-35 seconds I'd say. @Iluvtruks0. Thanks for the tip. @ all. I'm going to redo it, I had the truck on, and I guess I didn't realize that it would pick it up. I got a new battery this afternoon, so i don't need to jump her anymore. I'll take another video tomorrow. If you notice, on one of them, I show that the altinator isn't charging. When I turn on the Headlights, the volts go to the 1st negative line. Is that normal. Besides going to the Cub Cadet dealer, is it possible to find a GOOD used altinator for not mutch $$$. I've been spending more than I can put back in. In the past month, i've spent probably @500, between Hydro oil, new battery, seal, a seal kit for a Ram on my 21 ' IH plow, battery for the TG1860, Hoses, and couplings for the 1086 & equipment. I need to regenerage some before I start another project it seems. Thanks for all the help and reading guys Cody |
I haven't had to glo it for that long since i've had it since February so that's probably why I haven't heard the click. You can drain most of the fluid from the plug at the front just below the hydro filter. Then take the rear cover off and replace with new gasket. If you don't already have the service manual, they are available on pdf. If you want let me know and I'll email it to you. I didn't know jack about the smokers til a few months ago but reading manuals front to back helped out alot. When I have my headlights on, it shows a discharge unless it's at full rpm's. I was wondering if that's normal too. Maybe someone else can confirm if that's normal. I think I priced a new one from a couple places on epay for about 120.00.
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Excellant read from start to finish. Good job Cody! That tractor rocks!
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So that is a drain plug. Good.
no, I don't have one. Yea I want it. My email is in my profile. Without the lights, it should be charging though, Julo alwas told me to make sure it charged, So I guess it's been a problem child since then. :P I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not charging at all, because no matter what RPM, it doesn't charge, it's always just a little discharging. Thanks Johncub7172. If you change the numbers around, we have the same cub. :D Thanks guys Cody |
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