My new 1864

jimbob200521 · #1 07-11-2014, 10:10 PM

Well, after quite a bit of going back and forth, finagling the details, and settling a few odds and ends, the deal was done. My 1811 found a new home, and I received an 1864 to replace it. I've been trying to get my hands on one since I got my 1863 (I wanted the Sunstrand and Power Steering). A buddy of mine got one, and the bugging began

Long story short, we were able to work out a deal that made both of us happy. So today, I loaded up, and hit the road. This is a continuation of this thread, this post specifically (a few more pics of the transaction):

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...7&postcount=32

Anywho, I got the tractor with a few issues. The list is pretty short, but there are things to work on. After running for about 20-30 minutes, the tractor starts to cut out. You can pull spark plugs one at a time and it will continue running (so I'm told), so I'm thinking it's fuel related, but I'm not 100% sure yet. The other issue is the rear (PTO side) crank seal leaks. The tractor has about 1500 hours on it, but they are well maintained hours. The tractor came from the city of Knoxville in Illinois so regular maintenance has been done through the life of the machine by the city.

My plans for this machine are simple; I want to take my 1863 and the 1864 and make the best machine I can out of the two. I want to use the engine and drive shaft from the 1863 since it has around 1100 less hours. I want to get the best plastic from the two, best fenders, etc. Then, I tentatively plan on selling the machine that is left to fund a blade and/or 2 stage blower. There is no huge hurry with this project as there is nothing wrong with the 1863.

As for the 1864 right now, I got it off the trailer and promptly found that the steering was horribly off. After a bit of tinkering (adjusted steering and changed the oil), it's good to go. I have to say, power steering is the CATS MEOW!! I didn't want to get back on the 1863 after putzing around on the 1864 for a while

So, there's the status of the 1864 and the plans for it in a nutshell. I have a new crank seal ordered and will be replacing the fuel line and filter in the near future. But that leaves me ask; does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to what could be causing the machine to cut out? I'm hoping it's simple...

Thanks for looking guys, I'll be sure to keep y'all posted!

Shrewcub · #2 07-11-2014, 10:18 PM

Cool deal, Ryan! Welcome to the 1864 club!

Hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

Oak · #3 07-12-2014, 06:00 AM

Ryan, if that was mine and a keeper, here is what I would do:

--pull the tank and flush it good with soapy water
--replace the tank bung, fuel valve and lines
--if your changing the seal behind the flywheel, change the ignition modules too, I know a lot of guys say if it's not broke don't fix it but if it's original and at 1500 hours it's due
--pull the tins and give the engine a good cleaning
--keep the fridge stocked with cold beverages

That's a good looking cyclops. Good luck!

Sam Mac · #4 07-12-2014, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Oak

Ryan, if that was mine and a keeper, here is what I would do:

--pull the tank and flush it good with soapy water
--replace the tank bung, fuel valve and lines
--if your changing the seal behind the flywheel, change the ignition modules too, I know a lot of guys say if it's not broke don't fix it but if it's original and at 1500 hours it's due
--pull the tins and give the engine a good cleaning
--keep the fridge stocked with cold beverages

That's a good looking cyclops. Good luck!

What Todd said plus I'd replace the axle seals, the cork gasket and put a set of Xtreme GT braces on it. Also while your doing the fuel system clean the shut off valves out and while you have the engine out clean and repack the CV joint in the steering column.

SS5150 · #5 07-12-2014, 08:38 AM

What size deck is that? That looks like a nice tractor. I'd like to up my collection some but the GF has me on Cub restriction right now.

The guy that gave me the 61 has a thrower and a snowplow that he said he was going to list this fall. I can let you know if they come up, I haven't decided if I'm going to do snow with mine or just use the 782. I'm thinking I'll be hearing from him when he does.

jimbob200521 · #6 07-12-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Oak

Ryan, if that was mine and a keeper, here is what I would do:

--pull the tank and flush it good with soapy water
--replace the tank bung, fuel valve and lines
--if your changing the seal behind the flywheel, change the ignition modules too, I know a lot of guys say if it's not broke don't fix it but if it's original and at 1500 hours it's due
--pull the tins and give the engine a good cleaning
--keep the fridge stocked with cold beverages

That's a good looking cyclops. Good luck!

Thanks guys, she is going to be a keeper for sure. I've been slowly "upgrading" since I got into Cubs, and now about the only thing I want that I don't have is remote hydraulics but that's not a big priority. I'm going to give this a good going-over. BTW, it's not the seal behind the flywheel that needs replaced, it's the seal behind the PTO that's leaking. Before all is said and done, I plan to:

-Replace leaking seal
-Remove seat, fenders, and fuel tank and clean it all up, along with the trans. I'm wondering what condition the trunion is in, the little bit I drove it it wanted to creep faster and faster.
-New fuel line and tank bungs, clean shut offs as well
-Replace the drive shaft boot on the engine side, it seems to be half missing. Since I'm going to be swapping engines from the 1863, I may take the drive shaft from that while I'm at it.
-Trans fluid change & new filter
-Clean and repack the steering CV
-Swap motors from the 1863 (and clean up the 1864 motor while it's out before it gets its new home in the 1863)
-Keep fridge stocked

-Other little things I'm sure I'm forgetting

Once I get it all cleaned up and the engine swap done, she should be good to go for many years to come. I've just got figure out why it dies after a while as is. I'm wondering if it's a coil, is there anything else electrical on these machines that could cause it to cut out after running for a while?

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

What Todd said plus I'd replace the axle seals, the cork gasket and put a set of Xtreme GT braces on it. Also while your doing the fuel system clean the shut off valves out and while you have the engine out clean and repack the CV joint in the steering column.

Sam, how bad is it to replace the axle seals? I just may have to do that while it's going to be apart. Also, any electrical issues that could cause it to cut out after running for a while, other than a coil? I'm pretty sure the coils are good, I can pull one spark plug at a time while running when it cuts out (as long as I idle down to keep it running) and it keeps running on one cylinder. The thing is, when it does die, it starts right back up and runs fine for a bit again, then cuts out again; no real time in between for anything (coil) to cool down.

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Originally Posted by SS5150

What size deck is that? That looks like a nice tractor. I'd like to up my collection some but the GF has me on Cub restriction right now.

The guy that gave me the 61 has a thrower and a snowplow that he said he was going to list this fall. I can let you know if they come up, I haven't decided if I'm going to do snow with mine or just use the 782. I'm thinking I'll be hearing from him when he does.

That's a 48" deck on the 1864. I've got a 54" that's doing to end up on it once I get it all straightened out.

I hate thinking about winter, seems like it just got over, but it's never too early to start planning, I suppose. I need to find a WF Blade and then a 2 stage blower for the 1864. My snow killing team should be a bit upgraded from what it was last year

ACecil · #7 07-12-2014, 10:14 AM

Congrats on your 1864, Ryan!

inspectorudy · #8 07-13-2014, 08:41 PM

Great find on the'64. I have that power steering system on my 1811 and love it. My 1811 also would creep faster and faster but it turned out to be the friction nut on the go lever at the bottom of the stalk. Good advice on the fuel system. I have found the only issues I have had with mine is with the fuel system or a couple of the stupid safety switches causing electrical gremlins. I have replaced many axle seals on the small John Deeres and it is not a big deal. There are a couple of things to watch for and if you really pay attention to where everything is BEFORE you take it apart, like depth and direction, you won't have any trouble replacing them. Since you will be draining all of the tranny fluid out have the new filter and oil ready when the job is finished. I don't know how the '64 tranny fluid is changed but if it is like the '11 then now would be the time to add the big mouth filler that Xtreme sells.Good luck with your new toy.

Sam Mac · #9 07-13-2014, 09:13 PM

Ryan

I'll get back to you tomorrow with my suggestions. It's been a long day.

Mac

jimbob200521 · #10 07-13-2014, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by inspectorudy

Great find on the'64. I have that power steering system on my 1811 and love it. My 1811 also would creep faster and faster but it turned out to be the friction nut on the go lever at the bottom of the stalk. Good advice on the fuel system. I have found the only issues I have had with mine is with the fuel system or a couple of the stupid safety switches causing electrical gremlins. I have replaced many axle seals on the small John Deeres and it is not a big deal. There are a couple of things to watch for and if you really pay attention to where everything is BEFORE you take it apart, like depth and direction, you won't have any trouble replacing them. Since you will be draining all of the tranny fluid out have the new filter and oil ready when the job is finished. I don't know how the '64 tranny fluid is changed but if it is like the '11 then now would be the time to add the big mouth filler that Xtreme sells.Good luck with your new toy.

Thanks! I haven't had much of a chance to play with it, but I love the power steering! I can't wait to get things set on the machine so I can get spoiled by it

As for the fluid filler tube, it is larger on the 186x than it was on the 1811. I haven't changed anything yet, but it should be a looottt easier (and less bubbly) than it is on my 1811

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

Ryan

I'll get back to you tomorrow with my suggestions. It's been a long day.

Mac

No problem, thanks Sam!