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Old 04-14-2015, 09:39 AM
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OK I just got off the phone with the commercial enforcement officer at the local barracks. He said that only commercial vehicles and trailers need DOT and all that goes with it. Personal is not an issue. Dot is needed if GVWR of truck and trailer is over 17,001lbs. My F250 GVWR is 8800lbs and Trailer is 7500lbs for a total of 16300lbs so I am good there. Overloading is another issue pertains to to both private as well as commercial max load on trailer is 5295lbs which I am under, Although he said that they are not so worried about overloading with the small truck and trailer. So it looks like I am all legal
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:32 AM
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none of this makes sense. how can they ticket you if you're not overloaded? thats like giving you a ticket for driving drunk because you have the potential to get drunk! if you can't prove I'm overweight, don't see how you can make it stick. the federal cdl # is 26,000. I don't see how they can touch you if you're below that and not commercial.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:41 AM
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There are three issues at play here first is the threshold at which you need all of the DOT stuff # medical card ect. This is any commercial vehicle over 17000lbs. Second is the overloading of the vehicle or trailer which needs to be within the manufactures rating. CDL is another issue. If the commercial vehicle crosses state lines the fed limit is 10000 not 17000. 17000 is for PA
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Old 04-14-2015, 12:12 PM
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OK I just got off the phone with the commercial enforcement officer at the local barracks. He said that only commercial vehicles and trailers need DOT and all that goes with it. Personal is not an issue. Dot is needed if GVWR of truck and trailer is over 17,001lbs. My F250 GVWR is 8800lbs and Trailer is 7500lbs for a total of 16300lbs so I am good there. Overloading is another issue pertains to to both private as well as commercial max load on trailer is 5295lbs which I am under, Although he said that they are not so worried about overloading with the small truck and trailer. So it looks like I am all legal
I like it and want a trailer that size. Your rig looks great and no doubt safe. That will help with DOT, but I am with Sam on the word of caution. This is a topic that will never die in towing forums. PA is a state of note. RVs are treated totally difference so don't reference those. And the rules are up to the guy who pulled you over, If he thinks you look commercial he will harass for something.

So in your example your GCVWR = GVWR(truck)8800 + GVWR(trailer)10,000 for 18,880. DOT will look at rated capacity, not what you have on it. By the strictest definition (and how the law is written) it is possible you cannot pull that legally even if empty....

In my case I was told I was good to 26k in my state of KS. Cross the state line to Mo with a 10k & over rated trailer I had to have CDL and DOT number preferred. given I have a 20k equip trailer I am way out there. I am not commercial. But have not been harassed yet with the 5 container hauls and a couple tractors/farm equip.

I feel for you guys in PA.
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I bet your running a cheap receiver like the one below. Typically there only rated for between 500-600lbs tongue weight. I bet your set-up is over the 600lbs tongue weight.

http://www.reesehitches.com/products...Mount,UB-210-B

You should really step up to a better receiver like this one. They are rated for 1200lbs tongue weight. I think mine is actually rated for 1600lbs. It's solid forged.

http://www.reesehitches.com/products...Mount,HUB-3210
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The receiver hitch is the weakest part of the equation as they are usually rated at 500 or 600 pounds of tongue weight.
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I bet your running a cheap receiver like the one below. Typically there only rated for between 500-600lbs tongue weight. I bet your set-up is over the 600lbs tongue weight.

http://www.reesehitches.com/products...Mount,UB-210-B

You should really step up to a better receiver like this one. They are rated for 1200lbs tongue weight. I think mine is actually rated for 1600lbs. It's solid forged.

http://www.reesehitches.com/products...Mount,HUB-3210
Yep, this. Regardless of what anybody on a forum says or any DOT guy, exceeding the rated weight limit of any one component of the entire rig is illegal. I'm pretty sure he is over 600 pounds of tongue weight also. A weight distribution hitch will bump up the allowed tongue weight.

Even exceeding the tongue weight limit, I still don't consider his set up "unsafe".


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That is a bet you would have lost my reciever is rated to 10000lbs
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That is a bet you would have lost my reciever is rated to 14000lbs
What about the tongue weight of the ball mount (draw bar)? The piece that slides in.


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The 14,000 pounds receivers I've seen have been 14,000 pounds only when used as a weight distributing hitch, not weight carrying. Still, the ball and ball mount are usually the weak points.
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Ball mount is 10000lbs and reciever is a 7500lb hitch
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