Hytran substitute??

[bocephus1991]

I guess all of you know that the hytran they have now was changed a bit and now called hytran plus. Wasn't wanting a debate, just curious if anyone knew anything about that particular oil.

[j4c11]

As far as the pump is concerned, read page 10 of the Sundstrand manual for fluid recommendations. Looks like even ATF Type F will do.

http://inspectapedia.com/heat/Sunstr...msn_Manual.pdf

[zippy1]

But it also says, "use only the fluid recommended for the equipment" pretty much says if you're using a Cub Cadet use HY-TRAN...
It was a while back I was at my dealer and I was waiting for the customer ahead of me to get done, plus I was eavesdropping listening in on part of their conversation...
The customer was getting a hydraulic filter and a couple gallons of Hy-TRAN, and the dealer told him the price and the guy bout had a fit. Went on about how much cheaper he could buy fluid up at the parts store, blah/blah.
But I noticed he was packin Marlboro cigarettes in his shirt pocket...so he wants to skimp on fluid that potentially will make his tractor last longer, but not his smokes... Had to have the good ones...

[john hall]

Originally Posted by zippy1

But it also says, "use only the fluid recommended for the equipment" pretty much says if you're using a Cub Cadet use HY-TRAN...
It was a while back I was at my dealer and I was waiting for the customer ahead of me to get done, plus I was eavesdropping listening in on part of their conversation...
The customer was getting a hydraulic filter and a couple gallons of Hy-TRAN, and the dealer told him the price and the guy bout had a fit. Went on about how much cheaper he could by fluid up at the parts store, blah/blah.
But I noticed he was packin Marlboro cigarettes in his shirt pocket...so he wants to skimp on fluid that potentially will make his tractor last longer, but not his smokes... Had to have the good ones...

Some folks are like that. I won't run cheap fuel because I have found I get less mileage. So I pay another nickel a gallon, but I get way more return than that based on my mileage. I believe when it comes to petroleum products you get what you pay for.

Folks don't understand that oils have additives, Some have things added to make them stickier, some have additives that keep them from foaming.

Back IN the 80's IH had a hydraulic oil test display. Basically they sent you a display card with a few test tubes. You put the same amount of hydraulic oil and water in each tube, shook them up and set the display on the parts counter. The IH blended best with the water, I think Deere came in second in the test I saw.

I suppose if getting Hy-tran is not easy or fast a good substitute will work fine. With having a several tractors that use it around here we keep it on hand so I don't have to consider that as an option. I better hush before I ramble more than I have

[j4c11]

I can understand the pump manual saying use whatever the OEM recommends. There may be other considerations like wet brakes. When you're dealing with just a couple of differential gears that need to be lubricated, ATF should do the job. But I'll go along with the manufacturer recommendation.

The manual on my 1450 says any fluid that meets IH B-6 specifications will do, and then goes on to say for maximum protection use IH Hy-Tran fluids. IH B-6 was replaced by MS-1207(Hy-Tran Plus) and then that was replaced by MS-1209 (Hy-Tran Ultra).

There are many fluids that meets these specifications on the market and are therefore suitable for use per the manufacturer recommendation. Even the Super Tech hydraulic fluid found at Walmart meets these specifications.

The only thing that remains to justify paying the higher cost is the water absorption capabilities of Hy-Tran. The claim is that it can absorb 1% of its volume in water. A cub takes about 2 gallons, and 1% of that is 2.5oz, or 3/8 of a cup. It's a personal decision whether the 3/8 of a cup of water is worth paying 2-3 more for the oil. To me it's not.

[Terry C]

Hy Tran in all mine. The viscosity is my reason (and the water)
Most substitutes that I tried are thicker. The pumps seem to run
quieter with hy tran maybe less cavitation.

I do love a good hy Tran debate