Rear PTO, What Tractor? - Page 4

J-Mech · #31 01-29-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

What the "crap" Jonathan, I said the same thing the other day (only using different words) and you jumped my a$$ about it. Make up your mind and stop being such a jackass, you can't have it both ways!

I'm not being contradictory, and I didn't jump your a$$.
Your statement was:

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"Since they don't really do anything, do you put it in a tractor that you use regularly or something that sets around most of the time?"

I said that that wasn't true. They aren't "useless".
This second question was did IH build any attachments for them..... the answer is NO. Not specifically for the rear PTO on a CC. But.... there are several things that they can run. I'm not really sure how your were confused (offended) by my responses.......

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Originally Posted by c69ss396

now to add another question. The manual 1x2-3 pg.2-3 states the REAR PTO speed is the same as engine speed. So who is right is it 540 or direct drive?

The rear PTO is (basically) a 540 RPM. Ok, ok.... technically they run 515 RPM at WOT. I looked at the page in the book you are referring to. In the book, the specs for the front PTO are listed right above the specs for the rear. I'd say it was a misprint and that the listed speed of "engine speed" was meant to go under the specs for the front PTO. This should be a no brainer as, like Sam said, they run off the topshaft in the trans which is driven through the reduction gear. Simple math tells you they can't turn engine speed.

Yosemite Sam · #32 01-29-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

I'm not being contradictory, and I didn't jump your a$$.
Your statement was: "Since they don't really do anything, do you put it in a tractor that you use regularly or something that sets around most of the time?"
I said that that wasn't true. They aren't "useless".
This second question was did IH build any attachments for them..... the answer is NO. Not specifically for the rear PTO on a CC. But.... there are several things that they can run. I'm not really sure how your were confused (offended) by my responses.......

I didn't say they are "useless" so please refrain from trying to put words in my mouth.

I said "they don't really do anything" with the intended meaning that there were never any attachments/implements made for them.

I apologize for not wording my statement to your exacting standards.

J-Mech · #33 01-29-2015, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I apologize for not wording my statement to your exacting standards.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth, and also misinterpreting what you said.

I think we're on the same page.... just a mis-communication.

c69ss396 · #34 01-29-2015, 01:19 PM

sorry I should have dug deeper then just glance at the spec page. Thats what you guys are here for, to set me straight...

Jumper · #35 01-31-2015, 09:57 AM

Like I mentioned earlier, I've seen guy's do allot of different things with the PTO's. They are very useful, especially with a reverser as seen in the first picture. If you have one and a three point you can run any attachment you have the horse power for. Dan has and uses PTO's on his works of art (pic 2) with out a reverser. It's whatever your imagination can come up with !

Sam Mac · #36 01-31-2015, 10:45 AM

Just a FYI Hub City still makes a reverser only problem is that it has male keyed shafts for both input and output. Except for the SO style, that evidently has one female shaft. Maybe they will build it with 2 female shafts then you could use some type of adapter to go to PTO style shafting.

http://www.hubcityinc.com/documents/...haftDrives.pdf

Take a look at page F-10

J-Mech · #37 01-31-2015, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

Just a FYI Hub City still makes a reverser only problem is that it has male keyed shafts for both input and output.

They have others. Here is one that I acquired from back in my dealership days. It's off of a side arm ditch mower. It was used to drive the main hydraulic pump for the mower. Ratio is almost exact for being driven off of a direct input from the motor. So, it can be used on a hydro GT (driven off of the hydro output shaft) or other applications like on a Cub Lo-Boy. That's what I'm saving it for. To convert my fast running, reverse direction Lo-Boy to a usable speed and direction. Just like the ones Sam pointed out, the problem is adapting to the input. I already have the LB figured out..... just waiting for "life" to throw me a bone. Economy is killing me here and $$ are tight.

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Alvy · #38 01-31-2015, 07:04 PM

Jumper those pictures are awesome. Looks like some sort of a mini scraper. Can you elaborate on that? Uses a NF hydraulic lift pump driven by the driveshaft? Also, what's the deal with that tractors axles? Looks like some sort of full floater hub unless my eyes are deceiving me? Sorry to go off topic abut but those are some nice machines

J-Mech · #39 01-31-2015, 07:20 PM

Alvy those units were made by Dan Hoefler. He has a 100 crawler, a high crop 100 and a MFWA 100. He has write ups on one of the other cub forums. The rear axle you are referring to, is on the back of the MFWA 100. Yes it has full floating axles in it. I think he did that to get some ratios correct on the front assist. He is a fantastic machinist. I have seen all the units in person at a RPRU.

Jumper · #40 02-01-2015, 01:36 PM

Alvy, Jonathan is correct, besides doing amazing work Dan is a heck of a nice guy to talk to. The reverser I believe was really meant for a LoBoy and they bolt right up to the PTO rear cover mount. I'm not sure if they were offered for cubs also but since they use the same rear transmission casting they work well for cubs too. The flat belt mount off the rear PTO belongs to Tony Woodrum (I think) and that day he was running a corn grinder.