Best Car In 2017?

[OldSkull]

Originally Posted by ambrola

So what would you think it would cost in electricity? Has to be cheaper than gas. I wish VW still made the Jetta TDI, I would buy another one today. I frigging hate to buy gas, as you guys can tell. The Jetta Diesel I bought in 2006 has been by far the best car I have ever bought. And it gets close to 50 mpg. My truck gets 20. I fill it up at least once a week. It's not bad now, but when gas hit 5 bucks a gallon, it sucked.

Ronnie.

The top fossil fuel is diesel, nothing can beat the efficiency of a diesel engine, that's the only fossil based fuel who can produce 138,700 BTU per US gallon.

The problem we face today is the new pollution control system used on those engine kill them, a new VW tdi will never last more then 200,000 Miles without major work unless you reprogram the ECM with a flash tool (Cheating)
You end up with more power, greater economy but you need to flash the ECM back to his OEM programing before you pass a pollution control, some have only add 5 gallons of B20 and apparently it work for them...

After many complaint from firework and emergency hospital transport department about equipment stalling on duty, the EPA allow emergency vehicles constructors to remove those crappy pollution control system. For those who don't know yet, all military equipment have no pollution control system since day one! Getting stock under heavy fire with a Humvee add a bit of stress to your duty they says...

[Berwil]

Originally Posted by sir_lancealot

I should have specified more clearly... it takes 3 hours to charge the 115 miles you drove that day. Not an empty to full charge.

According to this article, a 240volt-30amp power cord will charge 30 miles in an hr, so it's closer to 4 hours for a 115 mile charge. 240 x 30 = 7200 watts or 7.2 kW. If electric cost $0.10/kW, 7.2x.1= $.72 an hr to charge your car. It would cost $2.88 to go 115 mile everyday. Generally, circuits are only loaded to %60 ampacity for continuous loads, so realistically it's probably closer to $1.73 for 115 miles.

This of course is after you buy the more expensive electric car, the $600+ power cord (charger) and pay someone (like me) to wire it up in your garage.

http://www.plugincars.com/quick-guid...er-126875.html

Bill

[Billy-O]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

Billy, maybe it will charge faster if you use your generator on full power......

You are the electronic wizzard.

Switched to 240 volts for sure!

[drcjv]

I know the original question seemed to be for suggestions on a reliable and economical car. I love Cub Cadets and it is a great hobby but my real passion is cars. I understand the concern for reliability and economy but I have never bought a vehicle for those reasons. I agree reliability is important but in all the cars I have owned none have ever really been a problem as far as that goes. The majority have been one brand and maybe that's why. I'm sure I will get killed on this statement but I buy cars first by how they look. If it's ugly I don't want to drive it. I understand this is very subjective. Next I look at options and performance. Last night we drove about 2 hours to a Trump rally. ( by the way an unbelievable event I was amazed at the # of young people and women there 18,000 total). I drove my wife's MKS this car is an absolute pleasure to drive heated/cooled seats, Nav, adaptive cruise control with the power of a 70's muscle car. I have never once bought a car that I even looked at gas mileage I could not even tell you what my current cars get. I guess if I had a long commute I would consider MPG but I have never had to drive more than about 8 miles to work. I still have the first car I bought 38 years ago a 1965 mustang. Does any others out there consider looks, options and performance.

[OldSkull]

Originally Posted by drcjv

Does any others out there consider looks, options and performance.

We all do but today technology bring his share of expensive problems and no one want to be the Ginny pig! When I purchase a new Korean Hyundai for my girlfriend I consider a lot more then how he look. I consider the cost of his maintenance, GMC charge me $200 for a oil change in my SUV and if I don't use their oil they void my warranty!

Just ask a Chrysler dealer how much it cost to do a transmission oil change on a Dodge Ram EcoDiesel but hang on something before you ask...I give you a hint..The pan and filter are a single part made of plastic and need to be replace. No warranty covering since it's "Normal" maintenance.

Trust me on that one, the first thing you should consider buying a new car is his maintenance cost.

In Ol' George style sayin!

"She may look good, but it still a hooker..."

[drcjv]

Skull you make perfect sense. If there was an issue with a vehicles maintenance I would want to know. I guess I have been lucky and not had any of these issues over the years.

[ambrola]

Originally Posted by drcjv

I know the original question seemed to be for suggestions on a reliable and economical car. I love Cub Cadets and it is a great hobby but my real passion is cars. I understand the concern for reliability and economy but I have never bought a vehicle for those reasons. I agree reliability is important but in all the cars I have owned none have ever really been a problem as far as that goes. The majority have been one brand and maybe that's why. I'm sure I will get killed on this statement but I buy cars first by how they look. If it's ugly I don't want to drive it. I understand this is very subjective. Next I look at options and performance. Last night we drove about 2 hours to a Trump rally. ( by the way an unbelievable event I was amazed at the # of young people and women there 18,000 total). I drove my wife's MKS this car is an absolute pleasure to drive heated/cooled seats, Nav, adaptive cruise control with the power of a 70's muscle car. I have never once bought a car that I even looked at gas mileage I could not even tell you what my current cars get. I guess if I had a long commute I would consider MPG but I have never had to drive more than about 8 miles to work. I still have the first car I bought 38 years ago a 1965 mustang. Does any others out there consider looks, options and performance.

Don't get me wrong here Charles. I also buy what I like no matter the cost of gas. But my truck isn't the vehicle that gets driven by Momma? I have always picked out the car for her, I don't remember if she has ever seen what I was buying until it showed up in the driveway. The Diesel VW Jetta is by far the best car we have ever had, low cost all the way around. It has never failed her and has plenty of life still in it. I want a car that is fuel efficient, and low cost on maintenance. I still love my old car, a 1967 RS Camaro that I will have forever, but it don't get much action.

[ambrola]

I don't know what happened to my big picture?

[litlmikeyl]

Originally Posted by sir_lancealot

The Jetta got higher actual MPG because of the emission cheating they did.

We have one of those "bad" diesels and besides beings just a little on the small side, it's been a great car. We've put 36k on it on 20 months of owning it. We're waiting to see what the "fix" is from VW before we decide to do/not do the buyback deal. I'm leaning towards keeping it for now.

We did look at the Chevy Cruze with the oil burner but the price difference between it and the VW was a shock, so we got the VW.

The "fix" is to be submitted to the EPA & CARB on Nov. 11th and they have 45 days to approve it. If they do approve, all of the brand new V-dubs will not only get the fix, but a nearly ridiculous warranty and a big price drop over MSRP. My dealer is thinking in the 8-10k range for a price break.

Even with all that's happened with the Dieselgate mess, I'd buy another VW.

We also gave a '13 Ford Flex SEL AWD non-turbo that I daily drive and couldn't be happier with. Lots of room, stout, pull 5k lbs. Gets low 20's for mileage but it only goes 10 miles round trip a day for me to work & back.

The Flex has been a nice enough car overall that I'll probably never go back to GM as the fit & finish of the Ford is, IMO, as good as GM.

[drcjv]

Ronnie the 67 looks great. You need to drive it. We are only here for a short time.