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Old 04-29-2014, 12:56 AM
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Default Engine swap CH20 for M18
First time cub owner, first time forum user!
I either have my future tractor of my dreams, or a very large paper weight !
A few weeks ago I bought an 1872, with the magnum 18. I was told by the seller that the governor gear was bad and I may need to find a new motor.
The motor was already out and I decided to tear it down to see how bad, bad could get.-- yep pretty bad! So--- here's my question;
I have an opportunity to use a Kohler CH20, in place of the Kohler Magnum 18. I wondered if anyone out there has used this motor in a 1872 or similar tractor
and what problems I may encounter with; electrical connections, PTO, flex coupling, etc...
Any help would sincerely be appreciated !
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:09 AM
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First, welcome to OCC.........

I have no experience in this arena. But if I were to do this retro, I would make sure that the CH20 is a Cub Cadet specified engine.



The two areas I would focus on are the PTO and the Drive Line. I am I not mistaken, the PTO on the CH20 is a larger Pulley Diameter vs the M-18. The engine drive cup may facilitate your present drive shaft.

The wiring will have some modifications, but that is not a big deal.
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:30 AM
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Hello and welcome to the forum,
Where in Pa are you located?

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First time cub owner, first time forum user!
I either have my future tractor of my dreams, or a very large paper weight !
A few weeks ago I bought an 1872, with the magnum 18. I was told by the seller that the governor gear was bad and I may need to find a new motor.
The motor was already out and I decided to tear it down to see how bad, bad could get.-- yep pretty bad! So--- here's my question;
I have an opportunity to use a Kohler CH20, in place of the Kohler Magnum 18. I wondered if anyone out there has used this motor in a 1872 or similar tractor
and what problems I may encounter with; electrical connections, PTO, flex coupling, etc...
Any help would sincerely be appreciated !
Yep. Easy swap. Ask me how I know. If you look around here you'll see a couple doing the same thing. Let me know what size shaft and how long it is on the CH. Easy way to do it is with the motor plate from a 1864, 2084 or 2284. Muffler from the same models and a drive shaft from a 2084 or 2284. You'll also need a pump adapter for the CV style drive shaft. Call the sponsors at the top of the page to see if they have the parts I mentioned. I have the pump adapters. Pics are of an 1882 I did a couple years ago that had a Mag 18 that puked it's Gov gear.
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Here is another member doing a CH swap.

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=31345

Post some pics of the CH, front back and sides if you can.
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Hello, i know a person who did a ch swap and said the pto off the mag18 (k17) fit on a command with 1-1/8" shaft. You might have a length issue that can be delt with. There's lot of holes on the front of the command, some threaded some not. You can thread your own, the existing ones i believe are metric. Mike
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The bolt holes are not metric.
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Welcome to OCC! Good luck with your conversion, and please keep us updated.
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OK! Wow! Thanks for the welcome and helpful info so far! Way more than I've got from the local shops!
OK, here's some answers to your Q's
-PTO shaft is 1 1/8"x 2 11/16", pulley diameter is 3" ID, 4 1/2 OD
-My PTO clutch plate does line up with 4 holes on the case, and the old bolts fit the threaded holes (I need to check the coil in it though)
-I'm from North Huntingdon PA
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