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Old 05-30-2015, 05:46 PM
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Default 1864 worth putting a new short block in?
I've been working on the CH18 for my 1864 and just keep finding problems. I've had new valve seats put in both heads, surfaced them, got all 4 new valves, valve train kit and all the gaskets. I'm in it this far and now I find out that it needs a total rebuild and a new crankcase cover and main bearing. It doesn't look like I can even get the main bearing. I can get a short block for about $900 and the parts and machine shop bill to rebuild the old one will probably be that much or a little more. Aside from the engine problems, the 1864 is in great shape and I don't have too much in it.

What's everyone's opinion, is an 1864 worth it?
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:06 PM
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Just my 2 cents but I'd buy something like this. http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/...ml#prettyPhoto
Put the 2 engines side by side and swap what you need off the old engine. Then put the remains on Flea Bay.
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Not a bad idea. I can get the whole thing for a little more than a short block. That's cheaper than a short block from CC by the way.

I'm thinking I might put this one together and see how long it will actually last as is and then do a replacement. It ran alright when I got it, but one head gasket was leaking. Sounded like a 2 cylinder JD starting with just one compression release open.
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What's everyone's opinion, is an 1864 worth it?
An 1864 in good condition is worth putting some money in to keep it going. Especially if the tractor/deck are in good condition.
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Take a look at what big box stores are trying to sell you for $2,600 plus tax, you'll be happy to drop $1,400 on a brand new engine and have a basically brand new 1864 for around $2k.
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I've been working on the CH18 for my 1864 and just keep finding problems. I've had new valve seats put in both heads, surfaced them, got all 4 new valves, valve train kit and all the gaskets. I'm in it this far and now I find out that it needs a total rebuild and a new crankcase cover and main bearing. It doesn't look like I can even get the main bearing.

Why does it need a new cover, and why can't you get a main bearing? It's a ball bearing. Nothing special.....
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I for one love my 1864. When it dies (which will hopefully be a long time from now as it only has about 500 hours on it) I full well plan on giving it a heart transplant (same plan for my 2284). Aside from the plastic, I have a hard time finding fault with it. Great machine, I'd invest in it as long ad the cosmetics are up to snuff.
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Jonathan,
The Command uses a sleeve style bearing in the crankcase and just the aluminum in the cover for the other bearing. When the cover is worn past the tolerance, there's not much you can do but replace the cover. If I can find a press in style bearing (not a bushing) that's close to the correct size, I could bore the cover for it and face off the inside and make a make a thrust washer.
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The Command uses a sleeve style bearing in the crankcase and just the aluminum in the cover for the other bearing. When the cover is worn past the tolerance, there's not much you can do but replace the cover. If I can find a press in style bearing (not a bushing) that's close to the correct size, I could bore the cover for it and face off the inside and make a make a thrust washer.

I don't know what motor I was thinking about.....

There is a crank shop in Effingham, Illinois that does all my crank work. He makes bearings. Not super cheap, but cheaper than a motor. He does a lot of Chuck Vogul's work. If you want the shop's number, PM me and I'll get it to you.
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Take a look at what big box stores are trying to sell you for $2,600 plus tax, you'll be happy to drop $1,400 on a brand new engine and have a basically brand new 1864 for around $2k.
I agree, Tractor Supply Company now has for sale the latest Cub Cadets (square nose old school style), $2500 for a 24 HP (?) 50" deck, with short diameter rear tires. This tractor would be useless for anyone with hills on their property! The rebuilt 1864 would run circles around a new tractor for the same price.
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